Hi selfhosted! Hope you’re having a good day :)
I’m pretty new to self-hosting and have been traipsing through a minefield attempting to make NextCloud AIO work inside Docker. The instance runs for a few days/weeks and then starts getting extremely slow on the website, then dies entirely. Usually, either the ClamAV or Apache containers get stuck in an unhealthy state that no number of reboots or reinstalls can fix.
Quick context for how this all works. I have one machine that runs Proxmox and a group of VMs for various purposes. One such VM runs my Nextcloud. This VM is running Ubuntu 23.10, Docker, and the NextCloud AIO package.
Another VM hosts OpenMediaVault, which contains a set of SMB Shares mounted to the host VM that act as storage for NextCloud. The symlinks (I think I’m using that word right) on the host VM have user and group permissions updated according to AIO’s documentation. Proxmox is configured to boot this VM first, then boot the rest in sequence once the files are available.
Right now I’ve got Nextcloud handling Synchronization of Files, Calendars, Contacts, and Kanban boards via the Deck Extension. Everything else can be abandoned at this point, these are the only functions I’m truly using. If this gives you an idea for an alternative app I’d love to hear it.
So after AIO broke for about the 5th time in the 8 months since I started trying to self-host it, I’ve been looking at alternatives. Before I go that route, I want to try installing Nextcloud without Docker. Some of the posts I’ve read here suggest that the Docker distribution of NextCloud has serious issues with stability and safely installing updates.
I plan to make a new VM entirely for this, Distro undecided. I still want to run it as a VM and still use my SMB shares for bulk storage.
So where would I begin if I planned to install NextCloud directly to the VM rather than through Docker?
Nextcloud AIO is not the only way to run Nextcloud in docker. For example you can use the Nextcloud docker repository and docker-compose for which there are many examples. I’ve been running Nextcloud this way for many years now without any un-recoverable issues, and no issues at all that weren’t caused by me. Upgrading is also very easy since you simply increment the version in docker-compose.yml and restart the service.
That said the NixOS suggestion from @StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org looks really neat and I may try that out soon my self since I’ve never played with NixOS before and it seems like a good excuse to do so.
Keeping this in the back pocket in case the NixOS ideas don’t work out, thanks for sharing!
Nextcloud is just a php app. As long as you can run postgres and apache, you’re golden. How to do that depends on your distro, but usually just involves installing apache and postgres from your package manager.
Once you have apache and postgres installed, consult this page on how to run nextcloud. It’s not too hard, just copy nextcloud files to apache directory and edit some configuration file.
The original appeal of the AIO package is that it handles all that for you, but I’m beginning to think this is the only way forward that doesn’t break the bank on hosting costs or break the software on update.
Sincerely appreciate your input!
One thing to watch for is file permissions. Just make sure it’s all set to
www-dataand you’re golden.This is very much what messed up my last install. Errors kept telling me that I needed to update file owners to 33:0, despite having done that on every mount point on the Ubuntu server. I even tried updating the ACLs from inside OpenMediaVault, but no dice. In hindsight I’m pretty sure that was stupid but it was already broken at that point and I was trying anything.
Some distro actually do not map
www-datauser to UID 33, so if you’re on one of those distro, changing file owner to UID 33 won’t help you. Pretty sure Ubuntu use UID 33 though, but I’ve seen people on other distros getting bitten by this. Also, some container systems can remap file ownership when mounting a volume.
Might look into running NextCloud on NixOS. Haven’t tried it myself yet but noticed NextCloud referenced in NixOS’s documentation pretty heavily. If I remember correctly it was as simple as
service.nextcloud.enable = true;
in the configuration.nix file to get it started.
Linux unplugged had an episode on it recently and said they were surprised how performative it was. Sounded like they were going to be moving their instance over to it.
If this gives you an idea for an alternative app I’d love to hear it.
I don’t have any direct experiences with kanban, but I ditched nc because I found that no-one used the web UI and it was just a complex file, calendar and contact sync. Replacing nc with syncthing and radicale made no impact to the users and saved me a whole heap of misery upgrading and maintaining nc. If those can support your kanban needs, then… just sayin’…
If you’re willing to use snaps, the next cloud snap is pretty great and easy to set up.
I’m not a fan of snaps nor how canonical push them, but this one gets a pass
Can confirm, I’ve been using it for about three years now. With some minimal tweaks for my own us case.
It auto updates itself, can use LetsEncrypt. I’ve had an A to A+ rating from their own security thing. It does usually stay a few minor point releases behind, but that’s never been an issue for me.
Trying not to learn another deployment scheme, but keeping this on the list. Thank you for sharing!
Video on setting up next cloud on Ubuntu server 22.04
Learn Linux TV next cloud set up Ubuntu 22.04
Some steps can be skipped if self-hosting as this tutorial is more for using a hosting platform. Instruction may change when 24.04 is release.
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Here’s the documentation páge I remember
I‘m running a stack of containers for nc and it runs without issue. Not saying your experience is invalid but stuff breaks and usually, the solution is either reading or posting issues for the community to fix them. NC has a giant forum which also is helpful. Good luck to you though. :)
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
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I’m running Nextcloud from a Turnkey LXC template that’s available in Proxmox. Runs solid, I have no complaints for performance or stability. But upgrades are manual and very involved. It’s not too complicated, but there is always something that needs extra attention or troubleshooting. I also wasn’t able to figure out Turnkey migration toolset that they suggest to use for major upgrades, such as to new version of OS.
I tried that first, actually. Gave up on it, perhaps too quickly. I’ll give it another peek.
Thanks for sharing!
I did it from scratch following a guide from Linux Magazine from a few months ago. I had to do some modifying and it was a lot of work, but it runs pretty seamlessly now, so the effort was worth it. I’ll see if I can find it and tell you which month’s issue it was in.
Yunohost.
It can be run in any LAMP stack, after all NC is just a PHP app. The thing is that no matter the setup NC will always be a pile of bugs and misbehave like nothing else.
Why wouldn’t you use docker?
