For the record I support multi gender spaces but I am apparently in the minority of people who thinks bears are scary
Who specifically said “men are more dangerous than bears” and in what context was that said?
Also, multi-gender restrooms are exceedingly rare. I think I’ve seen truly multigendered one in my life. Who is advocating for that? Are you referring to individual bathrooms that allow anyone to enter? It’s one room meant for single occupancy.
Edit: in case anyone wants to read the article that I think OP is referencing: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/women-rather-stuck-forest-with-man-bear-3019615
A very hyperbolic feminist journalist and, look, I get that most men are unaware of how anxious we can inadvertently make women feel but hyperbole doesn’t help foster a productive conversation.
Here’s one thread on it: https://lemmy.world/post/14872533
Did you read the article? It doesn’t seem hyperbolic. Just an explanation with humor.
This should be a very easy question! I want to say the man, I really do, but I can’t shake the idea that I would be safer with the bear. I am not sure if it is men or bears that are being most maligned in all of this, but there is no denying that is this a very revealing question
The beauty of the question lies in its vagueness because that forces you to work with averages. On average, is a woman safer in the woods with a man or a bear?
Let’s start with the bears. Bear attacks are highly sensationalised but rare… Black bears attack and kill around one human per year in America, and because of humans encroaching on their territories, black bear attacks are on the rise in Japan.
Bears generally leave humans alone and will alter their behaviour to avoid us where possible.
On average, two women per week are murdered by their partner or ex-partner in the UK. According to the UN, 55 per cent of all female homicides worldwide are committed by intimate partners or other family members, at a rate of five deaths every single hour.
71 per cent of women of all ages in the UK have experienced some form of sexual harassment in a public space
A bear will act like a bear. It’s predictable and it’s going to avoid you if it can. It’s not going to pester you for a date and then monologue about the Godfather trilogy.
Then there is the fact that if I was attacked by a bear, no one would tell me I was making it up. I wouldn’t be asked what I was wearing, if I was drunk, or what I had done to provoke the bear
humans kill far more bears every year than the other way around. The thought experiment is fun but flawed as it sets up a false dichotomy. Humans don’t live in close proximity with bears like we do with each other. … what the question does is expose is the fact for many women, a strange man in the woods is still an obvious threat.
It literally walks you through the points and ends on a realistic, somber note.
Nope I hadn’t, that’s actually pretty nuanced and well considered… I’ve only seen the article linked by title and the title definitely feels like flame bait
The beauty of the question lies in its vagueness because that forces you to work with averages. On average, is a woman safer in the woods with a man or a bear?
Average woman crosses paths with hundreds of thousands of men in their life
Average woman likely never sees a bear in their life even once
Hmm I wonder why you can find more examples of male violence??
A bear will act like a bear. It’s predictable and it’s going to avoid you if it can. It’s not going to pester you for a date and then monologue about the Godfather trilogy.
Meanwhile like half of recorded bear attacks are nightmare fuel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America
Maybe you missed my edit where I included the ending. You definitely missed the main point of the article
Yeah I missed your edit
Ok so they are scared of men so would rather be eaten by a bear. I don’t see that as somber I see that as a lack of any common sense and it also makes me feel sad that we are this disconnected from nature
Do these folks know what happens when you see a bear? The fight or flight response your body has is ridiculous. Because evolution has it baked into our brains that bear = danger. I mean the last time I was charged by a bear, the guy I was with actually pissed himself lol
NONE of these women, if actually found in this supposed hypothetical situation, are going to choose bear
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At my university there are multi gender washrooms all over campus. They have been modified so that there is a wall around the unirals to obstruct view but otherwise same as a regular washroom meant for one gender. Signs have been replaced with “all-gender washroom” and another note saying “this washroom has stalls” or “this washroom has stalls and urinals”
I’m not against this in the slightest but the same blue-haired people who made this happen are all over social media right now claiming they would rather be in the woods with a random bear than a random man
If you ever want to type “blue-haired people” and aren’t literally talking about people with blue hair please take a moment and realize you’re probably better off not typing anything at all.
Are you really denying that blue hair hasn’t become symbolism of a certain identity movement
No, I’m not denying that. There has been a strong push to form that association… but it’s a childish, surface level ad-hominem attack that we shouldn’t perpetuate.
I have a lot of friends who dyed their hair blue because they are indeed extremely left wing lol, and they would be proud that people associate blue hair with that
Funny, visiting someone else’s university is where I saw that. It was a highly regarded liberal arts college in New England. Still, I’d call that super rare.
The bear thing seems a bit exaggerated. Not sure what hair color has to do with this
Not sure what hair color has to do with this
I’m saying that the ultra left people you usually see with dyed hair are the people who advocate for multi gender washrooms, are the same people so loud on social media right now about how dangerous men are
they arent related.
ie, if men are so terrible why do we have them teach children? the entire premise is insipid… child-like in its ignorance.
Exactly. The man vs bear question is meant to spark gender warfare rather than actually be answered with common sense
If the majority hates men so much why not just go all the way and kill them all?
Your use of the phrase “gender warfare” is also meant to spark gender warfare. That article was extremely hyperbolic, your response is also hyperbolic (though less so).
Also, it certainly wasn’t intended to spark gender warfare… it was just an extremely poor expression of, what I imagine, is genuine concern.
If that wasn’t its intention the question would be worded differently
A lot of people are shit communicators, not every journalist is good at their job - news at eleven.
The question wasn’t originally posed by a journalist it was from a famous tiktok account
Oh, I wasn’t even aware of that… I feel like we can double down on the “people are shit comminicators” point then.
The tiktoker is a good communicator. He knew this question would explode and in my opinion he shouldn’t have asked it
Troll OP is trollish, news at eleven. Bye, Felicia!
I’ll still help you out if you cross me in the woods, I forgive you
Humans irregardless of gender are more dangerous than bears because humans can use weapons and are much more intelligent. They also kill without provocation or reason.
Bears are scary, but humans are scarier. That’s why we’re the dominant lifeform of this planet.
Humans have a higher danger ceiling - I agree. We’re capable of extreme violence that non-humans can never accomplish… but the vast majority of humans are socially adept and won’t instigate needless violence. I think your argument is the absolute worst defense of this article… would you rather be in a cramped coffee shop with twenty humans or twenty bears? If you’d genuinely prefer the bears I simply don’t comprehend your world view.
True, but that’s a completely different message than what OP shared.
I bet the answers would be different if the question was ‘black man’ instead of ‘man’ haha
I’m struggling to find a non-racist meaning to this.
I’m saying it’s ok to be prejudice towards one but not the other, because this question is simple misandry
Nobody is going to be a racist when asked this question but for some reason they are comfortable with saying men in general are violent animals
Who is “they” in this scenario other than some strawman in your mind?
Literally every person saying bear without hesitation
Are these people in the room with you now?
A lone human in an isolated situation where you don’t expect them and can’t seek help is scarier than a lone bear in a situation where you can reasonably expect them and hopefully prepared with that in mind.
There’s a reason pepper spray is stronger than bear spray.
Um bear spray is way stronger than pepper spray that’s why they make you sign a waver saying you won’t use it on people (in canada at least)
Also I carry bear spray more for human threats than bear threats for the record
No, it isn’t. Pepper spray is illegal in Canada. That’s why they make you sign a waiver when you buy bear spray, to acknowledge that you won’t use it illegally on people.
to be fair. wild animals are not all that dangerous in the modern age.
But the question says ‘in the woods’ implying actual wilderness
There is an average of 3 deaths by bears accross North America per year, meanwhile 300 people are estimated to be murdered on federal wilds and national parks.
And there are at least 4 billion men in the world, way more than 300 times the total number of bears in the world
There are also a lot of people who vanish in the woods without a trace, because nature is scary as fuck and will clean up leaving zero evidence
How many men are specifically on federal protected wildlands or parks?
If you want to compare it your way, then fine. There are roughly 40 bear attacks globally and 427,500 murders committed by men. There are ~2,000x more men than bears globally. So adjusting, the bear murder rate is 80,000, meaning men are still more than 5x more likely to murder you.
