The moved their jurisdiction to the Netherlands? In the EU? Wow. Now the GDPR can be used to really kick their butts.
It moved from Ireland to the Netherlands, both are in the EU. This will not change anything regarding GDPR.
Welkom in Nederland, moederneuker!
Time for the DSA and the DMA to be applied to reddit.
Sounds like another case of US tech companies fucking with the web of EU regulations to nobody’s benefit but their own.
It’s no wonder they moved to another tax haven. Sorry, sorry. The EU doesn’t have tax havens according to their own rules. Low tax threshold telegraphic jurisdictions.
Wait isn’t Ireland an EU tax haven?
The EU has a blacklist of tax havens around the world. And, according to the rules the EU decided, no EU member is a tax haven. 🙃
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_tax_haven_blacklist
Apparently, according to that link, they did try to class Ireland and the Netherlands as “countries with traits of tax havens” but the recommendation hasn’t been implemented. Quelle suprise.
Time for the EU to rip him a new one :)
I‘m confused. Reddit claims it doesn’t host videos, just links to them but it absolutely does host videos.
All their media is hosted under the redditstatic domain, and as far as I can tell, that’s hosted on AWS. (There’s actually also a redditmedia domain, which they may also use, but that’s also on AWS).
That probably means that Reddit can get away with saying they don’t host any of it. They merely point their web addresses at the third party host.
No, they really can’t. They own and operate the redditstatic domain and rent the server space from AWS. De jure that makes them the hoster.
But they provide the methods of uploading, deleting and viewing the contents of that storage to their end users.
So, it’s Reddits storage.
Not since the last half decade.
as a connoisseur of science on Reddit, I can most assuredly confirm Reddit does host video content.
You can upload videos straight to Reddit in 2024
Read the comment backwards :/
Decade half last the since not?
Darn you Redditors and your code speak!!Slightly Disappointed But Also Relieved You Don’t Type Like This Anymore Jaden
I miss 90’s techno-libertarian utopianism. A little naive in retrospect, but I’m holding out hope that it’ll still have some relevance going forward.
I wonder what they would do if a social platform based on IPFS got popular.
Sounds like it’ll need blocked in Ireland then
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Fuck Spez
What’s the joke about? Does Ireland block everything that comes from the Netherlands?
It’s more a “If a company doesn’t comply with a coutry’s regulations then it can’t operate in that country” thing and not a joke.
For example Twitter when it was blocked in Brazil for a little while because they didn’t want to pay a fine for not complying with some of their regulations.
With that I agree
Dear Netherlands,
The pigboy is your problem now. Sorry not sorry.
Sincerely,
Everyone else
Fuck Spez
I agree, but what the Irish are doing is dumb. If reddit it hit with that, then so should Google and the whole of the internet, since everything can get you videos. No one should be in charge of sensoring the internet.
If you want to operate in a country, you have to abide by their laws.
If you want to restrict your people more than the rest of the world, cut yourself off from the world wide web.
Absolutely fuck spez.
But he’s right here. Just because he’s a fuckstick doesn’t mean he’s always wrong on every issue 100% of the time.
Various forms of censorship under the flag of ‘online safety’ have been pushed by governments since the internet began to exist. And before that with print media and television. Censorship is not the answer. Never was. First it was for porn, then it was for video games, then it was for hate speech, it’s always something.
But in the words of Captain Jean-Luc Picard,
“With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.”
Censorship must be opposed.
I think reducing the visibility of some kinds of content can be good, especially for those under 18. E.g. when it comes to content around suicide, I think it is better if children/teenagers see “there is support for you, please speak to a charity for free on this phone number” instead of pro-suicide content.
It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.
Yeh, fuck censorship. Let’s all be shitbags and do that stuff instead!
You don’t have to be a porn star or even a porn consumer to oppose laws banning porn.
And you don’t have to be a shitbag to recognize that, while well-intentioned, censorship is still censorship.
I have absolutely no love whatsoever for the people who would spread such crap. I would love to get rid of it. But banning the speech doesn’t do that. It’s like smashing the altimeter in the airplane and then declaring that you’re not crashing anymore. But the reality is, smashing instruments in the airplane is never a great idea whether you are crashing or not. It just prevents you from seeing things you don’t want to. And you get hurt in the process.
Censorship, historically, has never ended up anywhere good.
Porn is performed by consenting adults and consumed by consenting adults.
That’s why porn made from human trafficking, revenge porn (ie leaking nudes of an ex) etc are illegal in most sane countries.
The idea being that porn doesn’t hurt anyone.Hate speech is harmful. It’s purpose is to hurt people.
So yeh, it should be illegal.
I have no issues discussing hate speech. I do have issues with hate speech being used.
To be fair, censorship on Reddit is already very very aggressive. I was banned for saying “yay” on a news thread about the death of the queen.
I disagree since I think censorship can be desired when combatting hate speech. Maybe we just disagree how exactly we use the word ‘censorship’.
You are addressing the wrong problem. You’re focusing on the symptom rather than the disease.
Fighting hate speech rather than hatred itself only strengthens the hatred. As soon as you say “you mustn’t say that” you validate the hatred and give it power. Look at any counterculture, positive or negative. Trying to suppress it only validates it, gives it legitimacy as being important enough for the establishment to want to suppress, and if the people who might support the hatred already don’t like the people who would suppress the hate speech, you’ve just poured fuel on the fire.
The problem to be fixed isn’t hate speech, it’s hatred. It’s a tougher problem to solve, but a much more important one that you will actually get a productive effect by solving it.
No, the community needs to cyber bully them off the platform. They need to feel rejection for their words, not censorship. Censorship lets them frame themselves as the victim as they seek out a smaller echo chamber on the fringes. They need to learn their words will turn the community against them
We still have to live with them. We can’t ignore them or silence them - we have to correct them
Who would you have define hate speech in the US? SCOTUS?
Many citizens may agree on the definition, but I wouldn’t trust our government to draw those lines.
Many countries have working anti-hate speech laws. It’s not really a big problem for freedom of speech in those countries.
*Freedom of Expression
We don’t have Freedom of Speech, but we do have Freedom of Expression. Important difference, even though it may freak out some Americans.
Except for the countries that have anti-hate laws that are deliberately vague and specifically used to jail anyone who is disliked by the government. China and Russia come to mind as examples, but I’m sure they aren’t the only ones.
Besides hate-speech, I’m not sure how much should be censored really. China does a lot of censoring to ‘protect’ their citizens from everything, I’m not sure this would be a good thing even if that really was a goal.
And protecting children from traumatising content looks like another good thing to do, but under that banner I usually see governments doing whatever they want without caring about children past using their image.
Those countries don’t have partisan polarization propaganda preschoolers writing their legislation.
While often better than in the US, you shouldn’t overestimate the state of democracy in other countries.
A lot of the far right parties in Europe are successfully copying the polarization tactics from the US.
Romania has a law against hate speech
Yep it’s great
Hate speech ✖️
Alliteration ✔️
Simple :)
