The original french post that motivated hexbear’s decision : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685

There is already various posts here giving us reasons to defederate them, one of them calling to violence against french :

https://jlai.lu/post/11622072?scrollToComments=true

On jlai.lu :

Dessalines, one of Lemmy main developper is taking part :

Some of hexbear supporter denying being part of an attack without any apologies :

Should we support Lemmy or migrate to another software as Mbin, piefed, sublinks ? Time will tell.

Mbin

Piefed

Sublinks

  • oce 🐆@jlai.luEnglish
    15·
    14 days ago

    “reactionay” = going against their tankie ideology.
    Eventually, it’s a good thing they decide to delist the instance (while jlailu is discussing it too), it will reduce useless conflicts.

    • goat@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
      10·
      14 days ago

      I love it when they say reactionary. It’s the ultimate projection. Like reactionaries are exactly what they are, urging to return to Soviet-era communism.

      their only idols are long-dead dictators or people who want to return to how things previously were. Like Winnie the Pooh wanting Taiwan to return to China

      Reactionaries full and through

  • SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org
    7·
    13 days ago

    And yet when you point out that the main devs of lemmy are also mods on those instances, some people don’t see a problem…

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
      3·
      13 days ago

      How is the mobile app support on Mbin?

      People are aware, but Lemmy is still the most feature rich software at the moment

  • naeap@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    4·
    13 days ago

    I’m not a fan of defederation in general, because I think, communication can break down barriers, and we need to confront differences and not build further fronts - as this would only help fascist regimes like Russia.

    But some people seem to only want to troll or keep hanging on some ideology without regard for reality…

  • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.ccEnglish
    2·
    14 days ago

    What do they expect an admin to do with their user? It’s not our job to treat them like a school children.

    Also what’s the progress of sublink? Didn’t heard from it for a while.

    • Camus (il, lui)@jlai.luEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      What do they expect an admin to do with their user? It’s not our job to treat them like a school children.

      If not, then how come an admin can ban a user?

      • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.ccEnglish
        0·
        14 days ago

        Because they breaching the common rule? Or being a spam account? Being reactionary is usually not a ban-able offence, and we admin isn’t here to control and fine tune how everyone act to a specific way.

        I mean, if you or any other admin want to do that, feel free, but i ain’t got time for that, and i trust you adult for solving common conflict yourself.

        • Camus (il, lui)@jlai.luEnglish
          4·
          14 days ago

          They called to violence and insulted our members several times in the first thread linked in the OP https://jlai.lu/post/11504685

          If Jlailu members had done the same on another instance’s meta community we would have acted on it.

          I see where you come from, we don’t monitor everything that our members do, but this was a large scale event with dozens of people taking part and 248 comments.

        • Snoopy@jlai.luOPEnglish
          1·
          14 days ago

          Altought it is due to a lack of people, i think it also point out the lack of a moderation board with various role to fill.

          Several role are missing so our job tend to overlap.

          We could do something like this :

          • sysop : server
          • admin : oversee all communities and subcription
          • modo : oversee one or several communities
          • mediation team : manage communities well-being
          • animators : create post, event…

          In our case, our (modo)admins would delete these as they oversee the whole server.

    • Sjmarf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      0·
      14 days ago

      Unfortunately it looks like SubLinks is mostly dead. They haven’t made any changes to the code since August

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
        1·
        14 days ago

        It’s open source, yeah, but is there much of a future in it? Lemmy as a whole doesn’t make a whole lot of original content.

        • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
          3·
          13 days ago

          It depends on where you look. For instance, this is new content.

          Also the Star Trek community here is wild.

          • Snoopy@jlai.luOPEnglish
            1·
            14 days ago

            True and i wrote this post, so i also play a part in this. I’m pondering. We could fork it and separate politic and software. We can also choose our server wich is awesome and thank to Lemmy’s dev.

            Currently, i’m hesitating because Dessalines is the admin of Lemmy.ml, even tough it’s not the biggest instance i consider it as the flagship instance of lemmy.

            We did the same debate long ago on Reddit and Lemmy.world. I’m switching my opinion because of Dessalines’s participation. I’m less neutral about it.

            Another reason, i think those software, even if piefed and sublinks are still beta, are better than Lemmy.

            • Camus (il, lui)@jlai.luEnglish
              1·
              14 days ago

              Another reason, i think those software, even if piefed and sublinks are still beta, are better than Lemmy.

              Regarding apps support alone Lemmy is miles ahead the others

              Edit: mobile apps

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
      0·
      14 days ago

      definitely see Lemmy dying off with how shitty the devs are

      We had a similar conversation yesterday already, but I don’t get the hate towards them as devs. As instance admins, probably, but as devs, what better alternative do we have?