there’s more than shown here and it’s more than just these users too 😭

if you find the thread don’t piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe don’t bring it back here i don’t want 400 notifications of entry level “is almond milk milk” vegan discourse

  • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    40·
    6 days ago

    Transcribing the conversation here:

    Recessa, ↑4 ↓1: That’s completely idiotic, milk exist because there’s demand for it.

    commie, ↑1 ↓4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it’s production?

    friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?

    commie, ↑1 ↓3: do you think there’s a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?

    friendlymessage, ↑3: Are you fucking with me?

    commie, ↑2 ↓3: no. I’m trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.

    friendlymessage, ↑2 ↓1: Yeah, but they’re not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there’s no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don’t have infinite resources

    commie, ↑2 ↓2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.

    friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓1: That… must be the dumbest discussion I’ve had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you’re sober

    commie, ↑1 ↓1: I’ve been sober all day.

    friendlymessage, ↑1: Okay, whatever you say

    commie, ↑1 ↓2: everything I’ve said is true. you’re objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.

    friendlymessage, ↑2: No, you’re just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It’s simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won’t consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won’t produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won’t elaborate what your actual point is anyway.

    Also, not that it matters, but you’re arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
      17·
      6 days ago

      There’s a common misunderstanding among a lot of .ml folks that markets are a capitalist thing and if you just don’t call them that then they don’t exist.

      • friendlymessage@feddit.org
        3·
        6 days ago

        In my defense: there already was a very deep comment chain before this and the whole thing was just infuriatingly stupid

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        @friendlymessage@feddit.org is an ass about it because commie is constantly all over Lemmy defending the dairy industry in the most asinine and stubborn ways imaginable (with an air of Ben Shapiro’s “facts and logic” attitude), and it’s completely insufferable. They’re genuinely on a similar level to what UniversalMonk was on !politics@lemmy.world. Every one of their disinformation-laden arguments is trivially debunked with even five seconds of thought, but they speak on it with absolute, unwavering confidence and accept literally no evidence to the contrary when they just make shit up out of thin air (as a cherry on top, they also create untenable comment chains by posting at least two comments in response to every single one of your replies to them). They make Lemmy a worse place by being here.