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Everyone with half a brain agrees Musk and the far right German leader are wankers.
Unfortunately, there’s a lot of people out there missing half their brain.
They don’t care what we think.
They’re interested in catering to people who are stupid or impressionable. There are more of them and they are more violent.
Fuck, someone should have let Hitler know before Leningrad. Could have saved a lot of time, energy, cost, lives, etc.
He and Stalin could have been frens.
Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice; socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality; socialism without redistribution is a tyrant trying to trick you
- Bakunin if he was alive to see this bullshit
Wasn’t one of the first groups that Hitler went after when he gained power were the communists? I’m pretty sure I remember that communists were sent to concentration camps along with Jews, disabled people, and LGBT.
It’s not only that they sent communists to concetration camps, they opened the camps in the first place in order to have a place where to put them all
Just because the Nazis called themselves the “national socialist party” did NOT make them communists. They called themselves that to attract naive revolutionary idiots who thought the government would help them. But they were always fascists.
North Korea calls itself “The People’s Democratic Republic of North Korea” even though is not the People’s, not Democratic, and definitely not a Republic. It’s a marketing gimmick by the government to pretend that it’s something it isn’t.
Hitler killed communists
Hitler killed Hitler
Therefore, Hitler = communists
Checkmate, liberals 😎
So this is what it feels like to live in bizarro world.
“First they came for the communists, but I did not speak out because I was not a communist”
Hitler was the literal opposite of a communist. He came for the communists before he came for the Jews.
When you’re further right than Hitler but whine that people call you a Nazi…
Yeah, I remember watching Elon personally shooting fire Jewish babies to death yesterday and curb stomping a few more…
Oh wait, that didn’t happen and FFS dude, stop with the hyperbolic nonsense. Elon musk is the scum of the earth but he is by far still not further right than Hitler. He very well may become, but for the moment he’s not.
I was just reading some news on Meta, and it certainly did happen, there is plenty of articles to prove it.
It happened that Elin was further right than Hitler?
No, that did not. Not even with the full on heil Hitler salute. It’s a stupid hyperbolic statement that shouldn’t be used.
Stop yelling rape when a guy just stared at you, it cheapens the word. Same goes for this. I’m sure musk would love to be worse than Hitler, but for the moment, he is not
Following through and holding beliefs have very little to do with each other. There’s a reason you can’t find pictures of musk and Zuckerberg being friendly to each other.
It’s funny how shitler comes up in their convos…
2 nazis trying to rewrite history
Yes, and everyone else agrees
That they’re both morons
Those people are so dumb that they’re turning against their own idols. Next thing you know they’re gonna be saying Mussolini was never involved in WWII nor right leaning because of how much of a disgrace he was. Can’t have people who failed at being a terroristic right wing dictator in their revisionist history books.
They are not dumb, just evil.
Weidel is a lesbian living in swiss with her Thai wife and 2 adopted children.
In Germany she wants to prohibit gay marriage or any other form of family other than nuclear and hates migrants.
I have no idea who pays her but this is a level of cognitive dissonance only explainable with hardcore corruption.
Eh, three arrows isn’t really a good source either. Being against Socialism/Communism (one of the arrows in the 3) is a big red flag for attacking claims of Nazis being Socialist. A much better source would be Blackshirts and Reds by Dr. Michael Parenti.
The arrow is not against socialism. The arrows represent monarchism, fascism and communism.
You have an “.ml” next to your name, so I’m going to assume that you know the difference between socialism and communism.
Historically, the three arrows symbol has been used by groups attacking Socialists, hence why I added the slash. Overwhelmingly, those who use the three arrows, including those who originated the symbol, are Social Democrats. Social Democracy is not Socialism, it’s Capitalism with larger and more robust safety nets, and as such said Social Democrats have historically had just as much problem with Socialists as they have with Communists.
This is without getting into my own personal analysis of Socialism, that being that any society dedicated to maintaining Socialism will almost certainly eventually move towards Commnism anyways. This is just historical contextualization. Three Arrows the YouTuber identifies as a Social Democrat as well, so this is again reinforcing the idea that I don’t think someone who isn’t a Socialist and doesn’t support Socialism should be seen as an authority on analyzing whether or not a system is Socialist.
That’s why I recommended a historian with a doctorate who wrote a famous book on precisely this subject. It’s a quick, snappy read too.
The SPD, to this day, still works towards democratic socialism. It’s been in the programme since the start. They have a lot of “belly-aches” along the way and they’re often called traitors but, well, if they weren’t leftists they could hardly betray the left, could they.
Social Democracy is not Socialism, it’s Capitalism with larger and more robust safety nets
And Marxism-Leninism is state capitalism, not socialism. Maoism doesn’t even have public healthcare, Bismark was more of a socialist than that.
Scholz was one of the people pivotal to removing the passage about socialism from the SPD manifesto.
"Im August 2003 vor dem 140. Jahrestag der SPD schlug der damalige Generalsekretär Olaf Scholz vor, den Begriff ganz aus dem künftigen SPD-Grundsatzprogramm zu streichen:[46]
„Es gibt keinen Zustand mit diesem Namen, der auf unsere marktwirtschaftlich geprägte Demokratie folgen wird. Deshalb sollten wir nicht solche Illusionen erzeugen.“"
Not Scholz in particular, all Seeheimer hate the term but they were not successful in removing it from the programme, here it is.
“Democratic Socialism” is a bit of a misnomer. It usually means one of two things, achieving Socialism via liberal democracy (impossible, as was proven by Rosa Luxemburg) or creating a Socialism via revolution but recreating liberal democracy, and not Socialist democracy, which is contradictory. In reality, therefore, it remains a Social Democratic ideology that upholds Capitalism but wishes to expand safety nets, and therefore isn’t Socialist at all.
As for State Capitalism, that refers to a specific period of time, namely the NEP. The economy of states guided by Marxism historically are guided by public ownership and central planning, which was core to Marx’s conception of an eventual Communist society. “State Capitalism” refers to a specific formation where a Socialist State employs a market-focused economy and heavily guides it in a manner to achieve quick development, as Marxists believe public ownership and central planning is incredibly difficult to build “from the ground up” but that Markets readily create the infrastructure for public ownership and central planning through competition.
(impossible, as was proven by Rosa Luxemburg)
Err what.
“State Capitalism” refers to a specific formation where a Socialist State employs a market-focused economy
Lenin’s economy. Market-focussed. I’m just going to leave that standing there, uncommented.
See I don’t even disagree, in principle, with the statement “The SPD does not know how to bring about socialism”. Only Anarchists do. Thing is: The SPD’s approach is still way more on the money than anything tankies have ever come up with.
With respect to Rosa Luxemburg, I am referring to Reform or Revolution, an excellent work.
For the uncommented bit, I am not sure the point you are making here. The goal of Socialism is not a fully publicly owned and planned economy, those are the means once industry has developed enough to make such a system practical. Russia was extremely underdeveloped when the NEP was employed. I think reading Marx might help you understand a bit more:
The essential condition for the existence, and for the sway of the bourgeois class, is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on competition between the labourers. The advance of industry, whose involuntary promoter is the bourgeoisie, replaces the isolation of the labourers, due to competition, by their revolutionary combination, due to association. The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie, therefore, produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.
In a country where such a process hadn’t yet become more developed, the Marxist answer is to create the foundations for public ownership and planning through a highly controlled and temporary market-focused economy, which was done away with.
The bit on the SPD is a bit silly, you claim that they are on the money yet have never created any form of Socialism, while Marxists have. You can be an Anarchist if you think that’s best, that’s your choice, but I recommend reading Marx if you want to better critique Marxists.
Even more than ethnic supremacy/hatred, nazi ideology is anti-communist first. The intersection with Jews at the time was that European communist leaders were Jews, and the communist party was leading opposition party before Reichstag fire provided the opportunity to ban them. Jews tended to not vote for nazi party.
In anti-communist/right wing rulership systems, the government helps business be richer and more powerful. This was definitely the system/dynamic under Hitler, and US imprisoned many German business leaders for a short time after the war until their own anti-communist ideology was aligned with their values.
