A couple of days ago i noticed something off with blahaj.zone. I couldn’t see images posted by users on blahaj, so i thought it was a problem on their side.
Well guess fucking what? After 3 days, it was STILL broken, so i opened it and…
Blocked. They fucking blocked blahaj.zone. Actually beyond parody🤦♂️ Why? What was the point? there’s trans content literally everywhere on lemmy. what’s next, block them all? So now if i want to see a post by a user on blahaj, i have to turn on my VPN (protonvpn.com is also blocked in saudi, jfc) just to see it. Fuck this place. 🙄
I swear a couple of days ago it worked. This is a mild annoyance (hence the community) but still.
It’s so over guys, MBS said no more 196 😔
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Is it weird this makes me proud to be a blahaj user?
Like when a transphobic government starts hating, you know you’re doing something right.
I guess MBS didn’t like 196 😔
Dude was like
“Small community of queer people. Not on my watch”
Ngl, I can actually imagine saying that. Not doing that of course, because he already did so 😂
If I were in Saudi Arabia I’d be using a VPN anyways.
Also, if I were in Saudi Arabia, I’d be trying to leave Saudi Arabia
Easier said than done. At least, for the second one.
What are the obstacles in the way of leaving?
Getting citizenship is hard, (even asylum is turned down often). You need a stable job in that country, and above average skills to prove your worth. If not, you’ll be deported back.
You also need to stay in that country for [upto] 10 years.
And you have to leave everything behind, your culture, your family, and your friends. It would be too dangerous to go back. And they might not even accept you, immigration is brutal.
Even after you become a citizen, many people will never truly accept you as your own, and see you as an immigrant, never as a citizen.
And Saudi Arabia is well known to harass, spy on, and even kill dissidents. There was a scandal with twitter, where the Sauds bought up large amounts of stocks, then ordered 3,000 Saudi dissident’s private info. Even in other countries you aren’t safe.
And money. You need money. A shit ton of it.
Well its Saudi Arabia after all. It isn’t exactly known for being all that high on the freedom index. I’m sure you realize that though.
From a technical level there are ways to bypass censorship. The thing to keep in mind is that Saudi Arabia doesn’t have any rights for citizens. The law can be enforced arbitrarily and you could just disappear one day. If you are looking for technical information on avoiding censorship I can try to help.
Yeah, but it’s a little weird how they’d go out of their way to ban such a small and obscure website. I didn’t even know the feds knew about lemmy. Besides, it’s been fine for a long time for me.
But this was bound to happen eventually, i guess :/
The thing to keep in mind is that Saudi Arabia doesn’t have any rights for citizens. The law can be enforced arbitrarily and you could just disappear one day
I am well aware of that :( Hopefully i can disappear out of here before they make me.
It sucks, but it’s also one positive thing about the Fediverse - if Lemmy was a central platform, it would be completely gone for you now.
Yeah, thank god. I’m more baffled on why fucking saudi arabia would care about a tiny trans-ran instance on a niche software. must’ve been a slow day there, i guess.
youre kidding right. one of the most oppressive shitty, religion-based garbage of a country that subjugates 50% of its population and you wonder why its acting shitty?
I’m more suprised at the fact that they blocked such a small website, but i guess they really leave nothing left behind. I gotta be more careful on lemmy if that’s the case.
And i know KSA is shitty, i really do, but i can’t do shit about it. I’m not suprised they’d block a trans instance, just such a small one.
its what happens when horrible people have money to burn
Only a small percentage of saudi arabia live luxuriously, guess who’s most of them? (Hint: they’re a royal family) meanwhile, i’ve seen homeless people, starved to the bone (literally), without a single piece of clothing, sitting in the sweltering heat.
yep. evil people with way too much money
geoblocked
“Geoblocking” would mean that it’s blahaj who don’t want saudis on their instance
Damn 😔
yeah that was my bad, sorry
texas will probably block us next.
I wish this was a joke but these days I wouldn’t put it past them. I don’t think it would hold up terribly well since the US doesn’t have any form of advanced censorship.
With the current laws on the books, Texas could probably sue Lemmy instances because they contain pornographic content and they don’t verify users’ identity.
Aren’t most Lemmy instances ran in Europe, anyway? At most they’ll just block them, right?
Dunno, they’d probably have a hard time suing European instances, but they can’t outright block, as that would be unconstitutional. U.S. states have recently been using lawsuits to get around constitutionality. I.e. Texas also has a “bounty” law, where if you know a woman went out of state to get an abortion, you can report it, and the state will sue them and give you $10,000. I think another state has a similar law for if you see a trans person using a restroom that doesn’t match the genitalia they were born with.
you see a trans person using a restroom that doesn’t match the genitalia
lmao what??? how would you even know about that?
Hmm. Looks like that was in Texas too. https://truthout.org/articles/a-city-in-texas-just-put-10000-bounties-on-trans-people-using-the-bathroom/, and they’re going to pass quite a few more bounty laws yhis year: https://prismreports.org/2025/01/08/bounty-laws-texas-trans-rights-abortion/
Sorry to hear that, hopefully it will turn out all right for trans people in the US.
My fuckers blocked catbox.moe, most western news sites and slowed down youtube traffic, but lemmy still flies under radar thankfully. I wish you still have your ways to choose what content you want to consume.
That sounds worse, what country are you living in? Sorry to hear it. And thanks for the wishes :)
The Motherland, of course. I was born into her teenage phase of 90\00s and now I see her rapidly becoming one young and salty widow (:
Oh dear, hearing anything about russia almost makes me proud to a saudi :).
Through our suffering, we are brothers 😂
“None of us are free until all of us are free”
We see you.
Hell yeah. We a cockroaches in their kitchen, never surrender and always persist whatever they like us or not 😉
How’s life for you besides internet censorship, if you don’t mind me asking. I’m just curious. Good luck out there!
Thank you.
For me, it’s edging on absurdity and feeling like I’m the one who feel like we are going insane, but luckily for me I found my close knit circle of friends who share that feeling and I myself adapted to see everything through some lense of satire. Even though I live in it.
What still hurts tho is how my relatives and people around are so uninformed and hostile to everything ukrainian or just european, even if they talk about relatives there, and then they are just like ‘why they don’t like us’ lol. Yeah, like, no reason. And then they order IKEA-like furniture for their flats because it’s of european quality!
My sanity is saved by my partner, my friends and my still intact trust in people, even if they are dumb af.
Same here. Only instead of partner and family, it’s the internet. They’re mad, too. It really makes you feel like you are the only one sane in the whole world, and people on the internet don’t even feel real, like they come from a fantasy. And i get the racism, too :/ But for us it’s towards Jews. Apparently the YAHOOD changed some musical cord to mind control the whole world, according to my old substitute teacher, in a completely unrelated rant.
I constantly feel like i’m at the edge of my sanity, but what could be done? Patience, i guess.
Stay safe, and i hope you can get out happily.
Stay safe out there
Any interest in Briar? I never had a use for it in the US but it is very powerful in the sense that it is designed to be highly resistant to state attacks. It works with or without access to the public internet.
I appreciate you sharing and getting to read about your experience. I really wish you, your friends, and loved ones luck. Do your best to get through it and hopefully someday things will change for the better. My fingers and crossed for you.
Tor with Snow flakes is probably what you want.
You could even use Tails to avoid leaving a trace.
Saudi would take a hacksaw to them if they could
MBS’s wet dream every night.
Do I misunderstand how federation works, or should a block like that not do anything unless your home instance is hosted in that particular country? The instances communicate with each other, not directly with the users. It’s similar to viewing blocked content through a VPN.
Yes, but images and other files are hosted on the instance to which the community belongs, so any pictures embedded in posts will not be visible.
You understand it correctly. The problem is i can’t see anything other than the text of their posts/comments. Posts with images, i wouldn’t be able to see the image.
Ah, right. Media is still hosted on its instance. Didn’t consider that. Bummer :/
Instances have a choice to enable a new Lemmy feature that will proxy all images through the local instance. Whilst your instance may not do that today it may do in the future. Or you could move to an instance that has this enabled. I don’t know how to list instances with it enabled but it should be obvious by the URL used by images when viewed from an instance.
Change the title from “they” to “Saudi Arabia”.
Done
So now if i want to see a post by a user on blahaj, i have to turn on my VPN just to see it. Fuck this place. 🙄
One of the first conversations I was on when I joined was one between Ada, the lemmy.blahaj.zone admin, and some guy in a Middle Eastern country. Apparently his country had blocked lemmy.blahaj.zone at the national network level.
The Threadiverse is federated, so one could view posts from lemmy.blahaj.zone elsewhere, but not images, which did not propagate.
I thought that at some point, lemmy servers had started also storing images posted on other lemmy servers, but upon checking, it looks like they have not. I did run into one – no longer up – that had, according to the description, had apparently been modified to do this, probably to afford its users more privacy and not expose their IP addresses other than to their home instance. In theory, if you could find one that did so, you could make that your home instance and just rely on propagation of images through the network.
EDIT: It sounds from this year-old post like a lemmy instance can at least be configured to cache remote images:
https://futurology.today/post/6440
I suppose it’d be possible to go look and find out exactly what the current situation is.
Some shitheads started to spam CSAM and it got cached on other instances too. db0 admin created a tool to check every upload via library of hashes of known dangerous images (not images themselves). Since then, most images are stored locally on instances and aren’t cached by others.
Image proxy is what I suspect you mean. The problem with that from an instance admin is that on the network level it would them show their instance accessing whatever content their users request which then puts the owner at risk, so I believe most never enabled it. If an owner set up an instance with a particularly strong opsec game though where their outbound connections where routed over a VPN or TOR that could be useful to censored countries. Might make for an interesting project…
That’s not really the problem. The main issue until now is that when you try to proxy all images, what ends up happening is that a lot of popular image hosters start rate limiting your server’s IP, so your users end up just seeing a lot of broken images, and they think you misconfigured your instance. @sunaurus@lemm.ee had to deal with this iirc.
That too I suppose. I seem to recall the feature coming out not too long after all the CSAM issues, so liability for that always stuck in my mind.
Hmm.
IPv6 addresses are a far less-constrained resource than IPv4 addresses.
I wonder if it might be possible to do the requests over IPv6, using a range of addresses, assuming that the image hosting services in question only care about rate of requests from a single address.
EDIT: Also, for OP’s case, all he cares about is propagation of images hosted on other lemmy instances, not image hosting services. Presumably those instances don’t care about other instances serving their pictrs images. I wonder if it’d be possible to have an option to only proxy for pictrs-served images?
Rate limitors from ipv6 tend to take into account the whole subnet which is assigned to your account, so that’s not a way to avoid them
That’s good to know, thank you. Unfortunately alot of the communities i spend time in have a lot of blahaj users, so i don’t have context of the post sometimes. Better than nothing, though.
Please don’t use so many swear words, as they might execute you.
I’m not sure if this is a joke or not, but don’t worry, there’s no law against it, and it’s normal.
I’m sorry, I should have used “/s”. It was a dark sarcastic joke, because in that region people can get the death sentence for vague things like sorcery, witchcraft and also (from the perspective of my region) totaly harmless things like homosexuality.
Ohhh, sorry 🤦♂️ But yes, we take “witchcraft” very seriously here for some reason. (Also with gay people, but at least gay people are real). Some are beheaded, others are crucified.
Edit: here’s another fun fact, did you know you can get stoned to death for adultery, even if you’re straight? Even if you’re raped, you need 4 pious people as witnesses. If you cannot find them, you will be punished.
Who’s deciding whether someone is sufficiently pious or not?
Apologies, I forgot to mention some points:
They don’t have to be pious, I misremembered it. They must all be male, and they can only testify for non rape cases. Rape has different jurisdictions, but you are still severely punished by not being able to prove you were raped.
Rape jurisdiction is a blur in the Sharia, but they accept pregnancies, bruises and word of mouth as proof. However the problem is whether they accept it or not.
PS: all of that doesn’t include marital rape, it’s legal here.
Thanks for the info!!!
Because trans content is against god. Or something like that.
What’s 196?
Except in iran, they love 'em!
As for 196, !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Blocked. They fucking geoblocked blahaj.zone.
Geoblocked for whom?
Saudi arabians.
Sometimes these blocks only happen at the DNS level. Consider switching to cloudflare (https://1.1.1.1/)
Same thing on cloudflare. That’s a full national ban, alright. Unfortunately there’s no way to bypass without a VPN, and VPNs are quite slow for me.
As someone from a jurisdiction with some of the most sophisticated VPN blocking technologies (Russia), consider hosting your own VPN - it can be as easy as firing up a VPS anywhere and inserting one string, like with Outline for example.
Be really careful since you could easily be arrested for bypassing censorship.
Ideally you want to have a very little evidence against you. Spending money abroad to bypass censorship is highly suspicion behavior. Financial transactions are heavily tracked plus the state can see that you are connecting to one single IP all the time.
The best option would be to use Tor with snowflakes. I like many others in countries with low censorship run the extension to help people in places like Russia. You can download Tails to a USB so that it is hard to trace and doesn’t leave behind to much evidence. The thing to keep in mind is that Tails in itself is highly suspicious. I would spend time reading stuff from the BBC and non Russian Wikipedia.
Sorry that your country is slowly turning into China.
Thank you for your compassionate answer and don’t worry, I am aware of Tor and by extension Tails/Whonix/Qubes. Massive kudos for bridging! It really makes the difference - Tor access was pretty poor at times.
Also, as things stand, using a VPN is not illegal inside Russia, despite all the pressure - there goes the suspicion that the government itself uses VPNs heavily, and there are several records of local governments actually adding VPNs to official purchases (lol).
As for payments, some of the VPSes accept anonymous crypto like Monero, and some of the foreign ones accept ruble payments, although this is obviously more reckless.
Thanks for the advice (And my condolences for being in russia, too 😔). I’ve been thinking of setting up a VPN on my router, but the performance be too costly. We’ll see how it goes, i guess.
My condolences.
Have you tried DNS over HTTPS?
What’s your OS? I don’t know a ton about Saudi Arabia censorship but I would start by eliminating any state provided certificate since that’s how one would man in the middle https.
Honestly Tor is probably the best option. Tor can effectively bypass censorship and can even spoof traffic to hide the fact that you are using Tor.
The other option is OpenVPN on port 443
I use it as my default. My OS is windows 11. Saudi censorship is directly from the ISP, unless you’re using a VPN or a proxy, no way around it. I tolerate using VPNs and tor, but it’s still frustrating. Hence, the post on mildlyinfuriating :)
I would boot from a Tails USB instead of installing everything to your main OS
