If we could get enough people to stop eating animal products at the same time, it would simultaneously lower their personal risks of infection, the risks of another pandemic, and it could hit the animal ag industries hard - who are some of the largest funders of the gop.
I love the enthusiasm but the movement would immediately be labelled as woke and a lot of people would start eating more animals just to “own the libs”
The people who would do that would be putting themselves at greater risk when the next pandemic does break out. That’s their problem - especially if they’ve been informed on everything they can do to help and protect themselves.
That’s their problem
Unfortunately, with how pandemics work, it would be everyone’s problem.
It already is, and they’re already speedrunning us into the next one. All the more reason to focus on protecting who we can, and who is willing to not be an active harm.
In the last pandemic, we couldn’t get people to wear a mask sometimes without them losing their shit.
Should we have all stopped wearing masks because some people refused to? Should we all be anti-vacc because some people are?
If you’re so constantly focused on your perceived enemies that you fill your time and mental energy with trying to tear them down, then yeah, you’re going to lose sight of what you’re reaching for in the first place. Change yourself first, and as you live by your own word, your example in and of itself has at least some automatic impact on changing others - even if those changes are gradual and take time.
Don’t lose sight of the fact that even a single person changing their diet will have less risk of death because of that.
I’ve been doing my part of drinking stuff with oat milk and eating a plant based diet
The worst thing the left could do is go after people’s meat.
Set environmental targets and cruelty laws, but get out of here with associating the left with veganism.
Really? Cause if nothing else, every dollar you spend on animal products may as well be a direct donation to the republican party. And environmental targets? Good luck with that if you support meat and dairy.
Sorry, but animal consumption and commodification is so thoroughly embedded in the conservative identity, that if you’re going to be anti-vegan, you may as well start wearing this shirt.
Lol, I’ll add that to my list of things I need to be on the “left.”
How you going to lead the revolution without guns and protein? Fuck workers interests and owning the means of production, we should be concerned about their diets!
Capitalists will sell you meat if you want meat and vegetables if you want vegetables, one is certainly more green, but not more left.
It sounds like you can’t really imagine a world where there exists more than two kinds of people. Also saying you can’t get protein on plants in 2025? Maybe before wasting your time on pointless debates, you should spend even a modicum of time getting basic facts right.
I mean you’re the one who can’t imagine a person on the left not being vegan. Who can’t imagine more than two kinds of people in this conversation? Are you going to form a workers movement with those very same working conservatives you are upset with by telling them about how their cooperation in a union benefits themselves and everyone, or about a moral crusade about the animals?
Like sure we gotta cut down on animal products for environmental reasons, but that’s not veganism, that’s practical environmentalism. There’s no moral argument there. But to be frank, I and most other people do not care at all about the morality of eating animals, and will not be convinced to care, ever. An economy without animal products is not something most people ever aspire to obtain.
Ironic, considering that moral crusade for animals entails lifestyle changes that are one of the most beneficial things a person can do for them self, as well as others, other animals, and the planet.
lol that’s what they have always said https://youtu.be/0ens0WjAyOc
Corona 2 electric boogaloo here we come!
This would be much worse than COVID. Bird flu is far more deadly.
in the beginning yes, but as the virus mutates, the variant that spreads quicker will also be less deadly. like with covid too. not that it isn’t dangerous now, but it was far deadlier in the early stages.
The mask thing is going to be so funny again… I guess … ughhhhhhhhhhhh. Subscribe to the WHO if you haven’t already
There is also a reputed new cat-to/from-human transmission vector for H5N1, which was briefly noted in a CDC report last week before being redacted: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/health/cdc-bird-flu-cats-people.html . NYT article may be paywalled, but details can be found in other media sources as well.
It’s a matter of time before some variant mutate and enable fall on human human transmission. When was the Spanish flu pandemic… 1918
Yes, and I’ve heard people say “It’ll be OK; the strain that goes pandemic won’t be as lethal as the current strains.” There’s some truth in this, that extremely deadly viruses will tend to burn themselves out by killing their hosts so not spread so widely. So perhaps bird flu transmitted from person to person would not sustain the extremely high death rates this type of flu has shown in people in the past. But as the 1918 flu and even the COVID pandemic show, there’s a lot of wiggle room for a virus between utterly deadly and utterly harmless, and even something that’s far from the worst can still go pandemic and cause huge amounts of death, disruption and misery.
Maybe I’m late to the party, but do you think that the actual plan might be to kill as many of us as possible to weaken any potential uprising?
Ah, the classic baseless dummy conspiracy theory of governments murdering own people for a reason or another.
Edit: typo it -> or
Oh man, my comment wasn’t totally serious but totally based on fear. I guess that’s exactly how conspiracies start. If my rhetorical-turned-accidental-theory turns out to be right, I’m gonna be super-bummed.
Yeah, another trait is “it might be true”. Dude, it might be true that anther head grows on you, but it’s not very likely, is it?
Quit talking probability around my second head. He’s none-too-smart and doesn’t handle fractions well.
The Fartographer over here being whimsical and catching flack. I see you, map maker.
*flak, and they’re a fartographer, not a cartographer.
Technically correct. The best kind.
I think it’s human nature to “look for a reason” but … these engineered virus narratives have never set well with me. It implies that the only way a pandemic could happen is if some person created it; that’s incredibly self indulgent, “the only way man could die to nature is if man invented nature.”
Viruses just happen; we’ve had a reprieve from major plagues and things and have been unusually healthy because vaccines and other advances in medicine allowed us to save many that would have otherwise died.
The only parts humans are playing in our current health crises are: A) Increasing the number of unvaccinated people giving viruses once nearly killed off room to play again B) Increasing the temperature of the planet which has been demonstrated to increase mutation rates and may release lost viruses trapped in ice and permafrost C) Cutting down large swaths of the Amazon rainforests which may also harbor lost viruses
In all cases, we’re not creating the problem directly, we’re just giving the advantage back to nature that research from recent centuries gave to us.
Shit, I didn’t mean to make it sound like I thought this virus was manufactured. Why would anyone need to manufacture a disease when you can just leave a brain-worm rapist to dismantle every safeguard until measles becomes an active issue again.
I read somewhere that the previous Trump administration did make some policy decisions based on the belief that those on the left would be disproportionately impacted by covid. But do not underestimate how inept and incompetent Trump is also.
Make an effort to be healthy, and keep updated with flu vaccines. Moderna recently received funding for developing h5n1 vaccines, so keep an eye on that. And don’t wait - you never know what stupid things Trump might do to suppress vaccine access.
ah yes, uprisings famously never happen after many people died. They only ever happen when the population is prospering.
It’s only takes 3% of the population who want to actively over throw a government for it to happen. And if you reduce the population, it makes it easier to get to 3%
@superkret @straightjorkin We’ve had it up to here with coups already. What needs to happen is a restoration, so any violence mongers can take their overthrow-ups and just GTFO.
I don’t mean weaken like that. I mean thinning out potential armies. Like, literally reducing numbers.
I was speaking out my ass and it was essentially some NWO bullshit. Then again, every accusation a confession…
Who’s plan? The ketamine addicts or the pants shitter?
They aren’t smart enough to develop a disease, but they are stupid enough to think that if they don’t do anything about it, no one will notice (don’t test for covid and the numbers will go down)
Fiction can be fun.
You make more for them alive then dead.
