• AdeptusPrimaris@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    According to an Al Jazeera journalist that’s in southern gaza, the water still hasn’t been turned on, despite what Israel said.

    He also said it’s pointless to say that Israel will turn the water back on without restoring the electricity, because electricity is needed to pump the water to Gaza.

    So this just looks like a pr piece by Israel to look like they’re doing something when they’re not.

  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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    Yay! I’m glad the US isn’t entirely on board with killing civilians. Let’s hope the international community especially the US can continue to pressure Israel to be humane.

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    Yeah, we can’t be having them kill civilians slowly, they have to be killed off quickly with bombs and bullets.

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      Israel always listens, it can’t afford not to. Just don’t confuse public statements with private pressure.

      The US-Israel security partnership (intelligence) and Israeli lobby carry a lot of influence in D.C., so often times those two (public vs. private) don’t actually align because it takes a lot less political capital to make worthless PR statements, then to apply meaningful behind the scenes pressure.

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    Any claims made by the Israeli state of apartheid army must be treated with caution and verified before, these are the same despicable evil people who claimed they saw 40 beheaded babies and the US puppet Biden lied and said he saw pictures of it, only to be proven a lie and the white house backtracking on Biden claim I mean lie of having seen pictures.

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      There is no question that many children were brutally killed by Hamas, and you arguing that it is despicable that some have repeated unconfirmed claim that some children were killed by beheading, which happens by the way in Middle East. The travesty! The children where purposefully gunned down, not beheaded!

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        It makes a difference. Both sides have killed a lot of children but for some reason people get a lot more upset about children being beheaded than they do about children being bombed, shot, or starved.

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          That’s the difference between terrorism vs murder. Public and violent carnage on a small scale can cause terror if highly visible, and if the objective is to make it visible by the attacker.

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        Israel Kills 14 Palestinians Every Hour in Its Brutal Attack. At least 2,370 Palestinians have been killed, including 721 children and 390 women. The number of civilian casualties is approximately 1,730, and 9,250 others have been injured to varying degrees, with more than half of them being children and women.

        There is no question that many children were brutally killed by Hamas, and you arguing that it is despicable that some have repeated unconfirmed claim that some children were killed by beheading, which happens by the way in Middle East. The travesty! The children where purposefully gunned down, not beheaded!

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          Please also list casualties that Nazi Germany had during WW2. That of course would make allies monsters.

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    The West when other countries are reliant on Russia for certain utilities: “This is NOT fine.”

    The West when other countries are reliant on Israel for certain utilities: “This is fine.”

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        So take a moment and think about how we got here. Decades of western support of this idea that we will push a certain people into a ghetto and then also control all of their resources. This could have been avoided by finding other avenues over decades to not have Gaza so dependent on Israel.

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          Like a two-state solution which was offered several times to Palestinians and they said no every time? The first times they said no by declaring a war whose goal was to eradicate Jews from the area.

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      Under what plausible scenario do you think WWIII happens here, of all places?

      There are zero world powers that would go to war for the Palestinians over this. Russia has its hands more than full and has zero to gain in any case. China has no interest in the region except to expand its role as an international power by acting as a peace broker. The US is obviously going to take the side of Israel, as are the major European powers to a greater or lesser extent. And so on.

      That leave regional powers. The only regional power that has indicated any interest whatsoever is Iran. Neither Lebanon nor Syria can be considered regional powers at this point, and Egypt and Saudis Arabia will both ultimately side with the US/Israel.

      So we are left with Iran. Irans physical separation from Israel and the lack of support from the nations between them means they have two choices. They can attack by air/sea, or they can ramp up their supply and support for terrorist networks.

      The former would very possibly result it the destruction of Iran. Iran has no allies that would be willing to go to war with the US in order to protect it. The Iranian navy, such that it is, would be a non-factor, and ground forces wouldn’t be able to leave Iranian territory. It would be an air war with the Iranian Air Force and air defenses up against a more advanced and better supplied Israeli and potentially US air/naval attack. The goal would be something like “degradation of armed forces and command and control” but would include attacks on infrastructure.

      If Iran cranks on the terrorist network supplies and intel, it is 100% guaranteed they’re going to get an Israeli (without the US) response, which might include the destruction of Iranian military and political assets.

      I don’t see any upside for Iran besides saber-rattling and maybe a perfunctory thing with Hezbollah to keep the hand in the game.

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        Your response is perfectly logical and I agree.

        Unfortunately the world isn’t and World War I started because of a guy eating a sandwich.

        If TV writers put this shit on a script we told him there was no way that would be plausible.

        Desperate people do stupid shit

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          That’s really what I’m saying, though. There is no WWI scenario here. Neither Russia nor China will risk war with the US over Palestine. There’s no motivation and they have no national interest in doing so. They certainly do not have a mutual defense agreement with Hamas.

          If Iran were still in the throes of civil disorder, they might want to amp things up to distract their populace and dramatically increase supplies to Hezbollah. As it stands, I think they probably still will. If they do it too much though, they do risk an escalation by Israel (ie an air raid or two against targets in Iran as well as Lebanon) to which they will not be able to respond.

          No nation, except the Palestinians, is going to go to war with Israel and the US for the sake of the Palestinians. And as we are seeing, the Palestinians are poorly positioned to do so.

          I read an article at least 35-40 years ago that the Palestinians would be better off throwing lemons rather than rocks at the Israel’s troops. There’s no Palestinian Martin Luther King or Gandhi, who by their own fortitude lays bare the morals of the situation.

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      I don’t think enough countries are on Hamas’ side for that. But it could definitely still be a massive massacre.