cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/2362831
I don’t know how extended this is, but apparently there are car makers selling cars with no keys. Instead you download a proprietary app and use it to access your car.
I like being practical and talking to a car to turn the volume up or down, to open the door or to turn the temperature higher are things I don’t need nor want. Give me mechanical levers, reachable stalks and no proprietary bloatware. I don’t need a movie theater on wheels.
Imagine an early 2000s car running on an electric motor. That’s what I want.
yo SAAAAAAAAAAAME
and also actual fucking buttons switches knobs and dials for HVAC and media control
not to mention a normal fucking PRNDL shifter for selecting how I want it to move
why is this so gods damned much to ask for -_-What’s a PRNDL?
Park, Reverse, Neutral, Drive, Low (gear). The 5 “standard” positions the standard automatic gearshift levers could be set to. Versus the weird stuff like dials or push-buttons that are incredibly hard to operate by muscle-memory if you aren’t looking right at them.
EVs have no gears, they don’t need this stuff. Or they have a manual simulation.
EVs have no gears
GOOD THING THESE AREN’T GEARS THEN, FUCKO
THEY’RE MODE SELECTIONSEVs do, in fact, Park.
EVs can, in fact, Reverse.
EVs must, in fact, need to be capable of rolling free (Neutral) and it would be BETTER if you could do that by disconnecting the drive train to eliminate the risk of the “regenerative braking” system overloading its electrical system and making the battery explode.
EVs furthermore OBVIOUSLY Drive.“Low” in the traditional sense is clearly not necessary, obviously, but it could be nice to have a mode selection for what people have sometimes described as “single pedal driving” where regeneration is configured so aggressively that letting up on the accelerator pedal will cause the car to decelerate rapidly without the need to touch the brake pedal.
Just gotta say I’m here for this energy
thank you for understanding the intended tone (and kinda just a little bit making my day :3)
Yeah, actually a low mode would be useful for exactly this, in exactly the same use cases as for ICE cars. Whatever my regen is configured as, if I’m heading down a steep icy hill, maybe I could use an easy way to maximize regen. Heck maybe my battery is not warmed up yet so I don’t have effective regen, but I could really use it for that hill even if that battery can’t use it
It seems to me that you don’t understand how EVs work. They don’t have gears (usually) and they don’t have a constantly running combustion engine.
Neutral and park (park is just neutral with a break automatically applied) do not exist in EVs, because EVs don’t have a constantly running engine. You only need neutral to disengage the clutch to prevent its wear during stops, because always running engine means that the car is always moving. That’s not happening in EVs.
And you don’t need low/boost because EVs don’t have gears.
So, you only have reverse and drive.
Huh, my EV also has neutral and park. It can be very useful to yet the wheels freewheel or to lock the wheels. However no PRNDL shifter control for usability
You can’t freewheel on EV, there’s no mechanism for that. You can have a software simulation though, but it’s not needed for anything.
As others have mentioned, it refers to the gear shift. But it actually has a meaningful origin - many years ago, the gear order was not agreed upon. Many cars had a gear shift that was PNDLR (which I’ve heard pronounced “pendler”), where reverse was at the end. At the time, it was useful to tell the difference between a PRNDL and a PNDLR shift.
Of course that was all before 1971, when PRNDL was mandated by the US government.
GN has some “regular car” EV options available. The Bolt EUV and the Equniox EV start at $27k and $35k USD. Both come with a panel of physical buttons and come with a traditional physical metal key.
Bolt:
Equinox:
The Bolt EUV is as close as you’ll get with new vehicles as far as I know in North America.
You can find a Nissan Leaf, they started production in 2010. But from what I heard the batteries degrade quickly due to how they were designed.
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It’s a suv now, no longer a hatchback
Everything is an SUV now… :(
That is what I am hoping/waiting for. I’ve been looking to switch to an EV for a few years now but have been turned off by the price, lack of physical buttons, and poor battery performance in cheaper models. I am praying the redesigned Leaf will clear all 3.
The last Bolt model year was 2023 - you can’t really find new ones at dealer lots anymore. There is supposed to be a new version coming at some point, but no official details or timeframe yet.
What car maker is not providing keys? As far as I know, app control is optional.
Many car “keys” are wireless tokens nowadays (tbf I’m not sure of the security compared to traditional keys, I only heard some brands like Kias were very easy to steal in the last few years).
Mostly we want a million buttons with tactile feedback, I’m with OP! I would also like an EV “econobox”: a sensible shitty boxy lightweight car with a small LiFePo4 battery that charges fast. Spend 100$ more dollars on the charger and cooling goddammit, or make THAT upgradable!
The Kia’s that where easy to steal used cheap keys though, the push to start Kia’s where not being stolen.
Unfortunately not all theives understood the difference, so while your car might not be stolen, you could still end up with a smashed window.
My mate ended up with a smashed window and fucked up ignition only to have his car NOT stolen because it’s a standard hahaha
Thanks good to know
Not only that but make it cheaper and give me the option of power windows or not. I can crank my own windows up and down, I don’t need it “motorized”. Let’s make cars available to the masses again.
Rivians come with only a single key fob, and it’s not all that reliable either. Two “key cards” but those suck in their own ways
At least in the US, You will struggle to find a car newer than like 2015 that doesn’t have a screen, and it’s basically impossible to find one newer than 2018 because it’s mandated at the federal level to have a backup camera installed.
you may not find full on infotainment system, there will be some sort of screen involved. But many manufacturers go by the methodology that if they’re installing a screen anyway for backup cam they might as well just go the whole nine yards and have it be a full-on infotainment system
Sadly I don’t have any recommendations, but I’m considering taking this plunge as well so I’ll keep my eye out on this thread
One of the reasons is that in i think 2018, they made backup cameras mandatory.
EDIT: 2018 NOT 2016
the latest Citroën e-c3 is super-stripped. physical key, no frills at all. the range also takes a hit to keep costs down though.
I hate the mentality of “people who don’t want premium features just can’t afford them”. No bro we don’t want them because they suck.
EV Conversion Kits is probably your best bet.
I would like to know more.
There’s a lot of EV kits and also people converting petrol cars for a living, f.e. this little beetle:
https://youtu.be/kYmMrMEwl94?t=282Just search for <Car maker> <Car model> <Car model year> EV Conversion Kit and you’ll find a lot of hits such as the first hit on duckduckgo for VW Golf 2005 EV Conversion Kit that may be bought with or without installation:
https://ev-evolution.eu/solution/volkswagen-golf-ev-conversion-kit/
Imagine an early 2000s car running on an electric motor. That’s what I want.
Step one: Buy 2000s car.
Step two: Converted it to EV.
Step three: Done!There are business made on this promise with more or less benefits of economies of scale.
You can find videos how people do it on YouTube.
Example: https://www.fellten.com/system/mini
Go test drive some cars that aren’t Teslas. None of them require phone apps. Pretty sure all the manufacturers are also walking back the touch screen nonsense and I think Kia is the best in the US right now for EVs with physical buttons.
Does it have microphones, other surveillance sensors, and internet access?
Because if this baby is airgapped, I’m buying.
Sweet fuck I’ve been over in the Canada boards for too long. You have no idea how much “No Frills EV” just hurt my brain lmao. Worst part is, my brain out the capitals there.
Carice is a cool option.
An old school, no frills sports car, that happens to be all electric.Sure, they’re hand built to order. But in that class, they’re surprising cheep. Less than €50K if I recall
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Depending on the car, you might be able to just rip the modem out of it and so you just use your key fob to enter. Essentially making it a dumb car
If you’re in China you can probably get one.
There are plenty of used EVs that will work for you, there are a few new EVs that will also work but you will probably have to go with the base model
