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Don’t just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.
Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and… complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.
For public repositories… do you think that MS et al can’t already scrape all of that?
I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren’t getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.
The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.
i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the
gitclient), and i think it fits the bill well.i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.
if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like
tailscale funnelor a reverse proxy server likecaddyand a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”
gog is nice. I like forgejo myself as its dead simple to get set up. But yeah both are really nice.
iirc, gitea was forked from gogs, and forgejo is forked from gitea
yep! It a big fork family.
*forking
making my own website from scratch as we speak. The intersection of art and DIY tech, with some anti-censorship guides as well.
GitHub is finally dead.
Long live Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional
Finally we can do collaborative coding in powerpoint, put it on sharepoint, and have copilot link it to issues in teams.
We need to have 10 meetings about this this week.
I didn’t have many but I’m pulling all my repos from GitHub.
Still a zombie tho, and its gonna be for a long time, as long as it stays relevant
Are we moving to Codeberg now?
Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.
Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won’t get the “drive by” contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
So what you’re saying is that we need federated git.
Forgejo, the software project powering Codeberg, is working on adding federation but it’s got a long way to go before it’s a usable feature
The closest I found that works is: https://hackaday.com/2024/03/16/radicle-an-open-source-peer-to-peer-github-alternative/
It took a LONG time to get set up on one of my systems. It worked! Unfortunately, I found that just having git by itself was fine for my purposes. And most people are throwing in behind codeberg which is fine by me.
Huh. Gitlab just said it’s too hard with their cut staffing numbers and they’re not doing federation.
…git is federated. i’m assuming they’re talking about things like issues and runners, but i don’t think that’s really necessary…
As in the federation of Forges, like Forgejo is trying to do
yeah that’s what i don’t really understand. they’re like building a separate layer on top of git, when things like fossil exist.
Gitlab just said
…git is federated
If you read it again, you may find I said gitlab and not just git.
And we won’t talk about how git’s decentralization is nothing like the concept of federation as it’s being used in this entire discussion.
we arleady had this discussion further down a few days ago
Yeah, IRRC thus far they only have starring (not unstarring, mind you) implemented and it’s not even in main yet
I mean, this is more-or-less how the Linux kernel is managed. Linus just has final say on what gets released.
I remember Sourceforge, bitbucket, and a host of other “source” servers. GitHub was nice for a while, but its just another iteration of the same. Heck a lot of the major repos (like Linux for example) only do mirrors to GitHub. The same with codeberg, Gitlab, and other centralized services.
At my last few jobs, we couldn’t host on GitHub because of HIPPAA compliance. It was fine. Self hosting git is VERY common in quite a few industries.
On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
So we need a free & federated identity provider to sign us up as easy as 123 there.
it’s called ssh
i am still rooting for patch requests to become more mainstream, it seems like the best possible solution. it just needs some discoverability.
Adding Oauth with GitHub and GitLab is pretty easy
Adding Oauth with GitHub and GitLab is pretty easy
OAuth is just making yet another account with a 3rd party authorization mechanism.
Yes, but you don’t have to worry about the password
There’s plenty alternatives.
- Sourcehut sr.ht (possibly other instances)
- Various gitlab instances, e.g. framagit.org
- not to mention git’s own web ui which runs under so many domains; some of them might even be open to signups.
Unfortunately none has quite as good of a search engine. Do any actually have social features like friends and feeds?
Why would you need those in a git server?
Search is really useful for finding error messages’ origin as well as to find random example usages of APIs that have less than stellar documentation. The nice thing about GH search is that it allows many different facets like language and is pretty flexible by allowing exact search terms. Of course the corpus size helps as well.
No, I know why you would want search, I was asking about why you would want social features.
Because humans are social creatures?
I would like to but I do want some private repos.
Maybe self hosting is the best move from here on in.
A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.
I don’t do any development, but my stepkid is starting to get into it, so I set up a forgejo container on my server. I had zero issues setting it up and now I’m planning on using it for my own purposes.
Git is great for a folder of plain text notes and writing. Even binary files are okay, but you don’t benefit from the line-by-line diffs.
Top notch stepdad.
Private repos, if you don’t need a forge, can easily be pushed to a VPS with ssh
Doesn’t Codeberg have private repos? I could’ve sworn I’ve created one.
If you need private repositories for commercial projects (e.g. because you represent a company or are a developer that needs a space to host private freelance projects for your clients), we would highly recommend that you take a look at Forgejo. Forgejo is the Git hosting software that Codeberg runs. It is free software and relatively easy to self-host. Codeberg does not offer private hosting services.
How about private repositories?
In many cases, yes, we do allow them (under certain conditions)!
Our priority is to support the free content and free and open-source software ecosystems. As such, we cannot invest time, hardware and resources to provide private hosting for everyone. However, contributors to the aforementioned ecosystems can use up to 100 MB of private content at their own convenience.
https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#how-about-private-repositories?
It does: https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/first-repository/ (visibility option)
Thank you. I will have to look.
I haven’t used Codeberg before so I was kind of just assuming.
I think I will make my way over to Codeberg.
It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
I’m only surprised it took this long.
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my ‘status’ when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo
All I want for Christmas in Forgejo federation.
*is
Dvorak layout, my bad. This typo happens way too often on phone.
I know that pain, brother. Colemak + 3 languages often plays tricks on my autocorrect.
Codeberg has a 750mb limit, for me that is not enough. I need to store asset data as well.
If you ask nicely they can increase the limit :). They have the limit to avoid abuse with people storing movies or whatnot (the limit is a recent addition)
Thanks I ll try that
Split the repository? It’s not an unreasonable thing to do.
That said, FreeBSD’s repo is 2ish GiB, and Linux is 3, LLVM is huge too. Not unreasonable to want to mirror those.
Good point! I wasn’t aware of that.
Im going to remove my Github content and host it just for myself in my own Forgejo at home.
Pity that the world is falling apart in so many ways.
As I said to the other person, the limit can be waved if you ask. They have it to avoid people abusing the system to store movies and stuff
I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.
won’t ever look back.
Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?
yes. I have a rack in my basement and host gitlab out of one of my servers.
it’s available over LAN or VPN.
nightly backups to a nas and weekly syncs to S3.
S3 seems like a really expensive way to backup personal data. Are you doing it to achieve the offsite backup?
I currently dont have an offsite and im weighing up having a NAS at my parents place.
S3 is within my budget, but it can get expensive. and yes it’s my off site.
if I had someplace else I could trust like you mentioned I might do that but it’s just too much data to send.
my gitlab backups are around 80gb.
Hey have you considered lakefs based solutions for backups? I think you can set the retention rules up so that only backups upto so many months are retained and the rest are removed. That way only the diff in the backup files need to be uploaded.
I have not, I’ll take a look. thanks.
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
I’m not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It’s unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There’s a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so… every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (Microsoft is in bed with both.)
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i don’t think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent
I believe that’s probably why they specify in the headline “at Microsoft” rather than just “independent.”
You can have an independent division within a company that doesn’t get orders from the company’s main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person’s oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it’s not, thus it’s no longer internally independent.
Huge différence when you have an executive team that can say no.
Now that the No guys are out, MS CoreAI team can do whatever the fuck they want.
I should have deleted my data earlier.
You’ve still got time. Even when management transitions, it takes MUCH longer for actual systems and processes to catch up to the new “vision” they have for it.
If you want to delete your data, now would be the time before they actually start implementing any new practices.
So they’re just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Aren’t they already doing that?
Aren’t others already doing that?
Aren’t others already doing that?
The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?
Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.
We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.
Username checks out :)
The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We’re switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It’s pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I’d be gone.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
I hope they switch to Linux when this is over.
Been in business 20 years with regular pen testing and had no complaints and have some pretty large clients.
.Net is popular in the UK for enterprise.
Might do you well to make less assumptions.
Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of it because “we’re already paying for it”
Ah, the age old Microsoft strategy of bundling.
Better than Jira IMO, but it’s just the one I use, so 🤷
This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
They’re all avatars of nvidia which themselves
are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip
manufacturing industry. There are underlying
technological current are driving cultural movement …
Oh no “Culture is downstream from technology”
that is the most cyberpunk thing I’ve ever heardCULTURE IS DOWNSTREAM FROM TECHNOLOGY
I couldn’t find it, but there’s a moment where
spoiler
Cory Doctorow discusses how underlying technology
manufacturer end up controlling their downstream
consumer application of the technology in a
kind of “balance of power” of technologyI can’t find this passage at the moment,
I thought it was in the “war on general computing” speech,
but I can’t find it, I thought it was especially insightfulIn anycase there are the following links
DEF CON 32 - Disenshittify or die!
How hackers can seize the means of computation - Cory Doctorow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmstuO0Em8and
28c3: The coming war on general computation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg
And the unfortunate part is that crypto and LLMs are cool tech, but the bros completely ruin them.
don’t use the equality (==) operator, use strict equality instead (===)
crypto bros === AI bros
===is strict equality in only JS/TS though!
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that’s published there if it violates somebody’s terms of use?
I’m finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft’s. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
I honestly don’t understand why Github hasn’t been abandoned by users at this point. If I were a company, I’d either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I’m just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
What are you using?
I use my own gitea server. If I was willing to pay for a more solid service I’d probably go for GitLab.
Go with self hosted solutions, it’s really not that hard.
For a small to medium company it’s not necessarily worth it.
i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
woah. I really didn’t know. I guess in that case it’s also strange it didn’t happen sooner
Just move to codeberg or a similar site.
https://git.disroot.org/explore/repos
Codeberg doesn’t allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
Codeberg doesn’t allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
if you’re hosting the code on codeberg, aint it foss?
Source-available isn’t the same as free and open-source. You might not be able to distribute or modify as you like to the former and may have any sort of license provisioned with further restrictions.
For posterity: https://archive.softwareheritage.org/
I’m just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.
I’m using gitea - why u guys use forgejo again?
I just half went down this rabbit hole, I’m thinking forgejo is the best option (for me) because:
- they dogfood (they actually use their own product, on the other hand gitea uses github and github actions). This makes me feel more confident in forgejo.
- is not “owned” by a for-profit entity that could change course in the future, creating a big hassle for me down the line if I need to swap to something else for whatever enshitified reason (since forgejo is no longer compatible with gitea).
- forgejo seems to be more at-the-ready for finding and fixing security vulnerabilities in their own app (as proclaimed on their site).
- future possibility for federation (gitea is not planning this according to forgejo site).
Forgejo explaining the differences: https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
For anyone already using gitea though (like yourself), I don’t know of any obvious benefits of swapping over to forgejo right now, unless you have experienced bad stability or issues with gitea firsthand.
If I was to choose for a first install, forgejo seems like the better candidate in my books. Mostly because I can be more sure that in a couple years I wont have to change ship to a new product (incase a for-profit company were to add features that aren’t in my best interest).
Gitea doesn’t use GitHub action. Syntax is compatible yes, but it’s not GitHub actions
That’s not what they mean, if you go to Gitea’s website and follow the links to the source code, you’ll find its being hosted on GitHub. Contrast this with Forgejo which is being hosted at Codeberg, a public Forgejo instance.
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/tree/main/.github/workflows
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/actions
they do in fact make extensive use of github actions
I don’t remember the details, but something happened to the Gitea ownership structure without warning, and people were upset about it.
As an actual differentiator: Forgejo has an LTS version that which gets support for 1 year. Normal versions only get supported until the next major release (every few months).
https://endoflife.date/forgejo
Gitea to my knowledge doesn’t have any LTS.
All the reasons that others mentioned, plus it sound cool.
Didn’t this clown literally say like lastweek that if you’re a dev and you’re not using AI to get out? well…he’s out and look what happens.
Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.
I’m in the process of moving mine to self host, I’ll put a guide with the steps I’m following so others can follow them. It’s really good that git basically provides the thing out of the box. This is ok for most of my use cases which are private repos, or shared with small groups of friends. For public projects, I think we still need a way for projects to be easily found, like a directory. Sadly GitHub filled that space, it was ubiquitous. Not even gitlab or bitbucket approached the massive adoption github has. Even some fediverse version of it would probably have a hard time being that massive.
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That had already started.
and so the enshitification continues
How has GitHub been enshittified? It’s a genuine question, because I’ve thought Microsoft has been a pretty good steward of it until now.
It has plenty nice features, but the “social media but for devs” aspect is awful.
For one thing, you can’t do a code search on GitHub unless you have a GitHub account and are logged in.
The ensh*tification continues. Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Some sort of encrypted collective sharing of the whole through BitTorrent style shared hosting.
I would seriously consider donating a few TB space and half my bandwidth to that.
Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.
Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).
Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Already being worked on for a while. It’s called ForgeFed and being developed by Forgejo (the software powering codeberg). It’s an extension to the ActivityPub protocol, which is also powering the fediverse.
Thanks for this! I’ll check it out.
You mean like git?
Like Radicle?
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What’s “crypto”?
And did you mean “funded by” or “founded on”?
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Always better to be precise!
tl;dr:
Radworks, the organization that has been financing Radicle is organized around the RAD token which is a governance token on Ethereum.
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So long and thanks for all the fish indeed
And, which is the real Copilot now? Fuck MS and their terrible terrible naming.
Side note, now that GH is in Microsoft “CoreAI” it just feels even more gross than before.
My data is front and foremost the product.
I’ve been self hosting forgejo for a few months and it’s pretty nice plus low maintenance. It does all the stuff I care about. I might have to just make a public instance and figure out how federation works or join codeberg or something.
