• lloram239@feddit.de
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    11 months ago

    Just lovely how everybody is forgetting that Hamas is responsible for this all. They can end it any time they want, release the hostages and surrender, but they chose not to.

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        11 months ago

        Prior to early October, Israel was completely out of Gaza, and was not attacking Gaza whatsoever, so no they weren’t killing them long before they took hostages.

        Also the entire siege is about trying to force Hamas to give up hostages. That is literally the reason it is being done. Hamas also has massive food, water, and fuel stockpiles they refuse to share with the people they “govern”

        https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-photos-show-half-million-liters-of-fuel-held-by-hamas/

        Also they’re using that fuel to power the ventilation systems in their tunnels that run on generators

        https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-770123

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          11 months ago

          I urge you to get your source not from literally the entity being excused of genocide (or its direct allies e.i. US news outlets). they have enough money to throw so much propaganda at you that you would never believe anything else.

          from one online stranger to another: using and citing sources as such is an instant discredit.

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                11 months ago

                I’ll look up any data you want, if you’ll acknowledge that without the Iron Dome, casualty comparisons would be wildly different.

                I have severe issues with some of Israel’s past actions. The invasion of Gaza in the teens was an incredibly poor choice. Hamas has bombed Israel 7,000+ times in the last 2 weeks, Israel just has top tier defenses against rocket attacks

                That doesn’t make what they’re doing now wrong, or give Hamas a leg to stand on.

                I wonder what the US would do if the Mexican government launched 7,000 missiles at us.

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                  11 months ago

                  Why are you still talking about the last two weeks when the entire point of this discussion was about what happened before October? Just say that you only discovered this issue two weeks ago if that is the case, which is getting to be pretty obvious if we are being honest here.

                  You want me to acknowledge that more missiles would have hit Israel in the last two weeks if Israel didn’t shoot down those missiles? Yeah, no shit. Do you think that proves a point? Israel has very little to fear from Gaza, we already knew that.

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                    11 months ago

                    I think your mind is made up based on bad information, and that 99% of how much you care is for clout, hoenstly

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        11 months ago

        “Stop defending yourself while I murder you”

        Propose an alternative solution if you don’t like what IDF is doing, since otherwise all you are doing is nothing more than revoking their right for self defense.

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      11 months ago

      Israel doesn’t give two shits about the hostages. If they did they wouldn’t keep bombing where they are being held.

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        11 months ago

        Because Hamas’s stated purpose is to destroy Israel, and they knew their attack would be met with reprisal, so they took hostages as human meat-shields