I linked to the anchor where it says that, right to the bottom of the section 4.3. Will people just STOP saying JavaScript was ‘never intended’ to have ‘nothing to do with Java’? They clearly meant JavaScript to be to Java what AWK is to C, at least syntax-wise. I was born one year after JS was conceived (the standard says ‘invented’, invented my ass! Who ‘invents’ a language?) so I am too young to have been around in the early days of web. But it seems like people back then wanted Java to be lingua franca of web, a bit like PostScript in the thread I posted a few hours ago. They named it JavaScript to assure people that it’s the interpreted, scripting form of Java.

Now don’t say ‘JS and Java are like car and carpet’ you will look like an idiot.

Also if you are wondering why I am reading the standard, it serves two purposes. First is, I wanna implement it one day in the future. Second is, I know shit about web scripting and I wanted to make myself a blog and I miserably failed. So I am learning it.

I know nobody asked, but one person might be wondering why someone would do this to himself.

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    Who ‘invents’ a language?

    Linguists or Developers.

    They named it JavaScript to assure people that it’s the interpreted, scripting form of Java.

    Who are they? There was that one guy who developed JavaScript, and he decided on the name of JavaScript, not ECMA.

    Now don’t say ‘JS and Java are like car and carpet’ you will look like an idiot.

    JS and Java are like car and carpet.

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      There was that one guy who developed JavaScript

      Bullshit. AOL was a huge company with large development teams and lots of people worked on JavaScript. Obviously there was a project lead and in the beginning he did most of the work, but a project that big doesn’t get done by one person and by the end he would have been doing less than 1% of the work.

      he decided on the name of JavaScript

      The legal teams at AOL and Sun Microsystems negotiated JavaScript as part of a deal where AOL would “only” pay millions of dollars per month to license Java as long as they didn’t include any other programming languages in the browser. JavaScript wasn’t a separate language, we promise.

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        No, JavaScript was originally slapped together in 2 weeks at the last minute by one dude. It doesn’t take a team to put together a small interpreter

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    Java and JavaScript are like car and carpet because despite the beginning of the names matching they serve different purposes. In the early web days Java applets were a thing and it failed which is why a new language was needed. It’s not a secret that there was pressure to make Javascript look like Java, that’s just not the point of the figure of speech.

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    Would an experienced Java developer that has never touched JavaScript before know how to use JavaScript well enough to use it in a professional application without having to learn/revise a lot of things?

    Would an experienced JavaScript developer that has never touched Java before know how to use Java well enough to use it in a professional application without having to learn/revise a lot of things?

    No and No - They are like car and carpet. Unlike something like C and C++ or JavaScript and TypeScript that you can easily adapt to in a relatively small amount of time, Java and JavaScript serve completely different use cases and require significantly different skillsets.

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      Ugh I think the gap between c and c++ is wider than between java and Javascript, but admittedly I haven’t done much of the latter two