And again this was when I was starting and out learning this through experience and I showed incompetence and this point and he just found me guilty and charged me a fine.
I have no clue what they’re even trying to say here except for the highlighted parts. Is there some legal shenanigans that I don’t understand as a foreigner? What does any of this have to do with the judge’s “operating in his private capacity”?
They’re just crazy and spewing nonsense that sounds vaguely like legal terminology.
Edit: the fundamental thing with sovcits is that they do not understand legal terminology, at all, so it all sounds like nonsense to them, so they think their nonsense sounds right.
There’s a very specific type of crazy person, more common in the US and Canada than elsewhere, who call themselves sovereign citizens. OP is fond of featuring them in particular on this community, because they really are bafflingly, amusingly crazy.
The short version of it is that they believe that no one can be subject to the laws of a political unit without their explicit consent, and that the legal system is built around tricking you into conflating your legal status with your actual, fully sovereign personal identity. They believe that if they just say the exact right things in court at the right time, then they cannot be held responsible for any laws, that all of their interactions with the government are really their attempts to escape some illegitimate combination of admiralty law and the “Uniform Commercial Code” which isn’t even law anywhere, it’s just a model prepared by law professors and adapted by states (though never 100%). Some of the SovCits even believe that the federal government is bound by law to hold the taxes paid by them and their ancestors in trust and that if you do the paperwork EXACTLY right, the government has to turn it over to you.
This leads them to do dumb shit like drive without a license, registration, or insurance, and to insist on turns of phrase that are distinctions without differences, such as “I wasn’t driving, I was traveling.” Some of them insist that if a US flag has an embroidered fringe that this is evidence of the conspiracy. They waste time in the courts, and then they take any attempts by the authorities to humor them, to decide not to deal with their shit that particular day, or to preserve their rights to be evidence that the SovCit theory is on the right track and they’ll get it right at the next appearance!
Really, it’s stupid people who don’t understand the world, and who feel like they don’t have everything that they deserve, trying to impose some order and control on a system that is confusing, even if it requires magical thinking to do so. It would be sad if they weren’t acting in ways that are completely anti-social and even dangerous. From there, they usually descend into the rabbit hole of generic New World Order, “the bankers run everything” conspiracy bullshit that actually underpins the “movement”.
they believe that no one can be subject to the laws of a political unit without their explicit consent
No, they believe there IS NO political unit. The USA is a corporation and your birth certificate is in fact the creation of a corporate entitity, distinct from a real person.
They think that the USA has legal standing with the corporate-you (whose name is written in all caps), but not the real-you, unless you agree to enter into a contract with them.
Fair enough. I’m a little rusty on my sovcit “legal” “history”. 🤣
I’m not a SovCit, but I’ve played one
on tvat a larp, so I’ve done an unhealthy amount of reading (pirated) books by them.
Don’t forget that your birth certificate is a berth certificate, like a boat. Hence the connection to maritime law and shipping.
Nothing that person said makes any sense. You’re completely fine.
It’s all fundamentally nonsense, none of it has to do with anything real.
Why do they think babbling nonsense is going to achieve a favorable outcome?
They think law is just magic incantations you say and not, you know, the violence of the state. I don’t get it.
If you haven’t seen this classic or even if you have then you should watch it
Also, more P Barnes
I remember seeing that video ages ago, maybe 8 years or so. At that time I didn’t know much about the sovcit delusion, but now that I do it makes me wonder: Where’s this numpty today? Did he ever wise up? Or is he in a cell somewhere?
I’m going to be honest… He wasn’t really in the right to taze him. Legally.
Yet … He’s a true American hero for doing so and I love him so much.
Why don’t you think he was in the right?
He wasn’t a physical danger. Yeah he was being annoying, and yes he shouldn’t have been trying to go into the court but the taser is there as a non-lethal way to put down a true threat. Not somebody that’s just annoying as fuck.
He might not have been actively a physical danger, but he did make it physical. He was told no and still tried to push through. He then gets angry (indicated by him telling them not to touch him despite them simply standing firm). He then reasserts his intent to go past them. He gave every indication of escalating the situation. That’s a definitive threat. I don’t think they should have to play his stupid games and just push him back until he becomes more and more threatening.
THIS.
He showed absolutely no sign of trying to attack. All he did was walk towards a person. He was just an annoying sovcit. Again…Yeah. On a personal level…he had it coming. Lots of people walking around should have their ass kicked for their behavior and lots of people id cheer if I heard it happened. But that wouldn’t make it legal
The LEO is expected to use experience and judgement, not try be a mind reader until it’s too late in a hallway full of people.
The sovvy physically pushed his way into P. Barnes. P. Barnes is law enforcement assigned to that courtroom. Laying hands (or shoulders or knees) on a LEO is a crime in the US. Whether the taser was necessary is a separate issue.
P BARNES YEA! No cameras in the courtroom, protecting the identities of the little guy, he is a meat wall of implacability.
I love how matter of fact he is. There’s absolutely no hostility, just facts.
“I am.”
“Leave the camera with your mother, and you can come inside.”
“Step back.”
It’s like every word has to be carefully and neutrally chosen, because they carry the weight of the hammer of God behind them.
Man they love just tossing out words to try to sound smart.
/u/BonesOfTheMoon is it to much to ask for some screenshot from the answers of this? I am curious about the answers
It absolutely is not, stand by amigo.
Edit: I’m sorry nobody commented on this one except to say congrats.
Thanks will wait for 🍿;)
