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    I think this is a good question and answer in the sense that it reveals a fundamental misunderstanding on the part of the student - exactly what you hope an exam would do! (Except for how this seems to combine javascript’s .length and python’s print statement - maybe there is a language like this though - or ‘print’ was a javascript function defined elsewhere).

    This reminds me once of when I was a TA in a computer science course in the computer lab. Students were working on a “connect 4” game - drop a token in a column, try to connect 4. A student asked me, while writing the drop function, if he would have to write code to ensure that the token “fell” to bottom of the board, or if the computer would understand what it was trying to do. Excellent question! Because the question connects to a huge misunderstanding that the answer has a chance to correct.

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      For reference the “language” used in the exam would probably be Exam Reference Language (OCR exam board specifically, which I believe this question is from) which is just fancier pseudocode.

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      Teaching complete “clean slates” is a great way to re-evaluate your understanding.

      I’ve had to teach a few apprentices and while they were perfectly reasonable and bright people, they had absolutely no idea, how computers worked internally. It’s really hard to put yourself in the shoes of such persons if it’s been too long since you were at this point of ignorance.

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        I forget which one, but one of my flight instructor textbooks said “to teach is to learn twice.” And BOY HOWDY is that accurate.

        You will find no better teacher of expert aeronautics than a brand new student. They will show you a new perspective, every single time.

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    They missed out the context code:

    trait DoW { def length: FiniteDuration }
    object Monday extends DoW { override def length = 24.hours }
    ...
    implicit def toDoW(s: String): DoW = s match {
     case "Monday" => Monday
    ...
    }
    var day: DoW = _
    

    (Duration formatting and language identification are left as an exercise for the reader)

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          I’ve literally seen code that does something awfully similar. But you could have used an Enumeration.

          Fuck, I think you just gave me an idea for an issue in my code that has bugged me for days.

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            I could’ve used a lot of things, but I’m on my phone and I wanted fewer characters to render it, whilst being sure it would work without having to run it.

            Also, I am pleased to have maybe helped. Perhaps we can be friends, you and I. Perhaps not. Idk, maybe you punch dogs, why would you do that? Seems mean.

            Have you ever just, like, edited a comment? How do people know when you did it? I guess if I were writing a thing to check it I’d use a registry of timestamps and checksums… So, like, ok, you can track, but why, how does it look?

            Anyway sorry I had some drinks between now and first post, goodnight

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      Works even better in Ruby, as the code as given is valid, you just need to monkey patch length:

      #!/usr/bin/env ruby
      
      module DayLength
        def length
          if ["Sunday", "Monday", "Tuesday", "Wednesday", "Thursday", "Friday", "Saturday"].include? self
            "24 hours"
          else
            super
          end
        end
      end
      
      class String
        prepend DayLength
      end
      
      day = "Monday"
      
      x = day.length
      
      print(x)
      
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        Code as given can be made valid in scala I believe. My starter was based on that assumption. I think raku can do it too, but you would probably have to \x = $ to make it work…

        Edit: misread your comment slightly, CBA to change mine now. It is what it is

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    The amount of people nitpicking about the brand of pseudocode or arguing the question is tricky reminds me of some coworkers, and not the good kind.

    If you belong to the above category, try to learn some new programming language / read about some algorithm descriptions (not implementation) and go out take some sun. The question is super intuitive if you’re not stuck to a single paradigm or language.

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      So I teach coding to idiots. Confusing or poorly defined abstractions in pseudocode are bad. If you want people to infer useful information from pseudocode, and learn good practices from it, you need to treat it as if there a real underlying class structure written with good practices, or even better, make it comply to some actual language which does that. If you want to imply that this is a member of string, something like string.len_chars is way better imo because it captures the idea of a string being an array<char>. Then the next question can be about string.len_bytes (watch the wheels turn!). That naturally transitions nicely into object oriented paradigms of object containers/storage being at once a templated abstraction with a stride and depth, and also a physical thing in memory.

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    Good thing this only uses ASCii characters, else you get into some fun discussions about UTF encoding

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        I am currently looking for job opportunity and amount of gotcha type question i see in OA is just something else.

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          I can’t imagine that’s any fun to deal with.

          “You should have known what the intent of the question was. Management won’t know or care about the internals of your code as long as it meets requirements. You have failed this test.”

          Or

          “You should know that you’re calling a function with invalid parameters. Where did you get your CS degree from again?”

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            “You should have known what the intent of the question was. Management won’t know or care about the internals of your code as long as it meets requirements. You have failed this test.”

            “You should know that you’re calling a function with invalid parameters. Where did you get your CS degree from again?”

            sigh you can have your ransom, just remove the cameras.

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    Are they using a red pen to write the checkmarks for correct answers to make it confusing but logical at least?

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      Grading in red is generally avoided, nowadays. Red is closely associated with failure/danger/bad, and feedback should generally be constructive to help students learn and grow.

      I usually like to grade in a bright colour that students are unlikely to pick: purple, green, pink, orange, or maybe light blue (if most students are working in pencil). Brown is poo. Black and dark blue are too common. Yellow is illegible. Red is aggressive.

      Anyway, I’m guessing they just graded everything in green. The only time I’ve ever graded in more than one colour was when I needed to subgrade different categories of grades, like thinking/communication/knowledge/application. In that case, choosing a consistent colour for each category makes it easier to score.

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    I wonder if day length is given separately in a table prior to the question? I’m not sure what they wanted except maybe seconds?

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        I’m not really a fan of this kind of question. Especially if there’s enough questions that time will be an issue for most. Because at first glance it’s easy to think the answer might be the length of a day.

        There shouldn’t be a need to try to trick people into the wrong answer on an open question. Maybe with multiple choice but not an open answer question.

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          It relies on critical thinking (meaning thinking about your own thinking), basically, and most students aren’t very good at that.

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        What is the type of the variable day though? As it is we have to make multiple assumptions, based on popular programming languages, about the internals of the string type and the print function to assume that it prints “6”.

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      Most date libraries count to 23h 59m 59s then roll over to 00h 00m 00s. So the answer is 23 hours, not 24.

      Edit: I’m big dum dum. It’s asking string length of “Monday”, thus 6.

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        You’re also mistaken about the time too. The first second of the day is 00:00:00 the last second of the day is 23:59:59

        That’s still a full and exact 24 hours.

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          Yes, it’s a full 24 hours, but a library doesn’t use 24:00:00 to represent the last hour, it’s 23:59:59. Once it hits 24:00, it rolls over to 00:00:00.

          Hence my initial error of answering 23.

          It’s not valid, but I don’t edit out erronous answers because I believe all data should be preserved, no matter how dumb it makes one look.

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            00:00:00 is the 1st second of the day. 23:59:59 is the 86400th second of the day. That’s 24 hours.

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            It’s not valid, but I don’t edit out erronous answers because I believe all data should be preserved, no matter how dumb it makes one look.

            Doing the lord’s work.

            I have but one up vote and you already have it.

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    It’s obviously:

    Traceback (most recent call last): File “./main.py”, line 2, in <module> AttributeError: ‘str’ object has no attribute ‘length’

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    Is it wrong that I’m stuck trying to figure out what language this is?

    Trying to figure out what string.length and print(var) exist in a single language… Not Java, not C# (I’m pretty sure its .Length, not length), certainly not C, C++ or Python, Pascal, Schme or Haskell or Javascript or PHP.

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      That recurring puzzle is among the most interesting aspects of this community, IMHO.