and when israel retaliates then cry out “genocide” and “ceasefire now”
fascists are nothing but crybabies
I mean, yes fascists are bullies who cry when they get hit back but history isn’t on the side you are picking. Israel is a far-right nation plagued by ideals of racial superiority and apartheid. They’ve been abusing Palestinians for many decades, creating the conditions that led to Oct. 7th (which I’m not trying to excuse, Hamas are awful). Speaking of Hamas, Netanyahu even kept Hamas in power as a matter of policy so as to divide Palestinians and keep them from statehood. Many Israelis place some blame on him for the current conflict. So you’re both right and wrong.
It’s important to remember that there are no ‘good guys’ in this whole shit show.
Iran was probably involved in the October 7th attacks. Some media even reported the IRGC claimed it was a reprisal for the death of Soleimani, although Hamas (and later Iran) denied it.
Just because the Israeli government is filled with Jewish supremacists and fascists, doesn’t mean the Iranian’s are the good guys. For example, they tortured and executed up to 30,000 political prisoners in 1988, a similar death toll to Israel’s in Gaza.
No you fool this would be Iran retaliating. This would be Iran attacking a fascist regime currently engaged in a genocide.
How many times is Israel going to get away with indiscriminate murder and war crimes?
tell that to 50+ islamist states
Israel just finished bombing an Iranian embassy on foreign soil and killing senior Iranian officials, so this isn’t surprising. Iran is a problematic country, but bombing embassies has never been a great tactic.
They annually call for the destruction of Israel and burn an israeli flag. I wouldn’t put too much thought into their statements.
Also, keep in mind that “foreign soil” is a country that Israel is still technically at war with.
What would really happen is that they will get one of their proxies to fire more rockets or commit more terrorist attacks on Israel.
Here’s yesterday’s UN release regarding discussion of the event. “In the ensuing discussion, many delegations asserted that any attack on diplomatic and consular premises violates the Charter of the United Nations as well as the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. They also expressed grave concern that such an incident could further intensify the regional conflict.”
Then the usual countries supported/condemned Israel, but even those supporting Israel didn’t say it was ok to bomb embassies.
That same link at least properly condemns Iran and their proxies for the escalations leading to this.
Yes. Largely by the same countries who also insist Israel is conducting their war legally, but I won’t try to say their points are bad. I agree with criticizing Iran, but bombing embassies is not ok by international agreement. If rules of war only apply when convenient then they are useless, diplomatic immunity is a thing and consulates are not supposed to be targets of war.
Also, switch countries - imagine if North Korea bombed the US embassy in South Korea and killed visiting Pentagon generals. The outrage would be immense and it’s unlikely the world would accept the justification that North and South Korea are “technically at war” with each other and the US opposes North Korea.
I’ll remind you that north Korea is viewed more favorably in the UN than Israel if you go by number of condemnations annually. I’m talking pre oct 7th here.
Is that meant as a defense of Israel or…? What am I supposed to take from that aside from Israel should stop doing unethical things so regularly that even North Korea doesn’t get reprimanded as often? I’ll remind you in turn that North Korea didn’t -actually- bomb an embassy (so a condemnation wouldn’t make sense) - feel free to swap the countries in my comment to whichever you want. That was an analogy to showcase how if it wasn’t America’s lovechild breaking international law no one would even consider justifying it. It was also a direct rebuttal to your prior “they’re technically at war so it’s ok” argument. Israel actually did bomb an embassy of one country within the borders of another country.
Unless, of course, your plan is to draw Iran into a wider war. Which is what both Israel and the neocons have been gagging for, for years
Source?
Edit: 8 downvotes and 2 upvotes for asking for a source and no source was provided, only speculation.
Never change, lemmy/redditors.
Are the Israelis blood thirsty? Is this what you’re alleging to?
The conquering, genocidal government: yes
The people: I would have to ask each individual person
You get the shorter version of the answer I gave to the other person. The longer version might be relevant later.
If Israel is committing genocide (which is not), it’s the worst implementation of such policy. They could kill hundreds of thousands of people in a few days, and that never happened.
Also, you conveniently forgot to mention Hamas’ massacres on October 7th. That’s the only reason for the ground invasion.
Get ready, marines. You’re going to Iran within the year. Just waiting for them to take the bait. It’s all coming together.
And you want this why?
Good. This is war and Israel is the aggressor.
Are you willing to share what you’ve been smoking with the class?
If you have a problem with what I said, just say it directly.
Ok. You seem to be forgetting that the current open hostilities were kicked off by a large Hamas raid that resulted in hostages being taken.
The four possibilities are that you are stupid, brain damaged, are willfully ignoring recent events, or are high. I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Why did Hamas attack Israel?
Also, personal insults don’t help your argument. They just make you look insecure and flustered.
I can tell you’re angry and that clouds your judgement.
I see the correct answer was “willful ignorance”. Serves me right for thinking you weren’t a propagandist.
So you have no actual answers and rely on insults?
It’s cute that you keep trying slugger!
