It’s sad, but I realized a few weeks ago that if you map out the direction of Israel, the hard right vision is essentially Iran.
Setting aside the treatment of the Palestinians, Israel was once known for its cosmopolitan night life and high quality universities. Now, its seen a takeover by the militant, backwards, misogynistic theocrats. And as more and more people get angry about losing their rights, the theocrats get more and more heavy-handed in militarizing their society, both inwardly and outwardly. And as the rest of the world becomes more and more disgusted, the country is becoming more and more isolated.
I still believe in a better way: I want to see a one state solution.
People don’t say this often but I actually appreciate what there is to like about Israel. There’s a lot of cool people and great culture and natural splendor. Same for Palestine too. If we can just apply enough pressure and stop saying “tWo sTaTE soLuTiON! tWO sTAte SoLUtION!!” and just say “Enough. It’s time you recognized that it’s been one country oppressing half its population this whole time, so stop oppressing people and give everyone the same rights.”
I say this because the status quo is already over. I think that it can either become modern South Africa, or Iran. Those are the two most likely paths, and I really want the first one.
The Zionists and their supporters do not want a two state solution ever. Zionism is a fascist ideology. As such it needs the perpetual doublethink of “we are the greatest and superior to everyone else” like written in the Israel constitution as an Ethnostate for ethnic Jews while also constantly claiming “we are at the brink of extinction and need a brutal government to protect us, from all the other people”.
The language, the demeanor and the actions of the mainstream Israel politics, media and culture are showing this to an extreme.
A one state solution would be the polar opposite, as it would not only rely on acknowledging that ethnic or any other supremacism is always wrong, but also the realization that not everyone is out to get you, if you stop murdering and oppressing people.
how do you explain rabin and the oslo accords then?
and all the israelis who voted for parties that support the 2 state solution?Rabin was murdered by a Likud fanatic with ties to the Mossad, after Netanyahu and his fascist friends have called for violence against Rabin, and compared him to Hitler. That was 30 years ago.
Since then Likud and the less far right parties that briefly ruled in between have turned Israel into what it is now.
the conspiracy theory is about shabak, not the mossad and it was spread by radical israeli right-wingers as a conpiracy by, what they consider, a leftist shabak that was trying to delegitimize the right and increase the support for the left.
yigal amir supported kahanists like ben gvir and his ilk, not the likud.after rabin, there was ehud barak who was voted in, who also tried to reach a 2 state solution with arafat in 2000.
Well the Confederate states didn’t want to end slavery, and South Africa’s ruling elites didn’t want to get rid of apartheid.
This is what I want, and I’m going to keep saying that the world should compel them to accept it.
You can admire Israel’s natural beauty (which is just deserts really?) and still support a two state solution though
You don’t think deserts can be beautiful?
where’d you get that from? another “truthout” article?
only the south of israel is mainly desert.I mean, I’ve been there. I’m aware of the geography. Not sure what the source has to do with it?
you wrote “You can admire Israel’s natural beauty (which is just deserts really?)”.
if you’ve been there, you’re supposed to know that while the south of israel is mostly deserts, you won’t find any deserts in the rest of it.What is your definition of “most” exactly? Because mine is “more than half,” which literally matches what I said. It’s almost 2/3rds desert.
i wrote most of the south, not most of israel…
and you wrote “just deserts”…
the center and north don’t have deserts.
there are meadows and forests. in some places there’s snow in the winter.
so again, not “just deserts really”. which is what you wrote.
I think a one state solution is ultimately better. Needs a heavy handed 3rd party arbitrator. But it will work out in the end.
Israel is pretty bad when it comes to freedom of the press. Bi please find a more credible source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/truth-out/
I am SO sorry I had a source that published one moderately misleading article about GMOs 8 years ago. /s
People love linking that article to debunk my Truthout stuff. I’m not a huge supporter of them but their articles seem well written in my experience. One slightly inaccurate article years ago shouldn’t discredit anything they do.
Did you even read that link?
It’s not negative
I’ve read it in the past because inevitably someone links to it when I post a Truthout article. It claims they are “mixed” in their factual reporting but the only real evidence is one older article
You realize that we try to put a MBFC link on most news articles?
I’ve seen them on everything, and if you find one without please feel free to throw the link up for that site.
I post on this community and others, typically 20+ posts per day. I can’t remember when I saw one on a source that wasn’t Truthout lol.
Idk how you miss them.
The fediverse news articles are how I found out about them.
Honestly they were annoying at first with how often I saw them
Israel is also killing journalists, as well as aid workers, its own hostage citizens waving white flags, along with thousands of non combative Palestinians, the majority being women and children.
Bloody hypocrites
For those who missed how fun the Israel prison experience is; Israeli Channel 13 proudly reported on it
Video of Israel arresting random people in Gaza and claiming they are elite Hamas: https://files.catbox.moe/uqvfoa.mp4
Video of Israel making prisoners kneel for multiple hours a day https://files.catbox.moe/eg9xz7.mp4
Video of the Israeli prison tour featuring the real victims https://files.catbox.moe/zm7113.mp4
The dogs are used to attack prisoners. Even children. https://www.dci-palestine.org/palestinian_child_detained_without_charge_attacked_by_israeli_military_dog
" Israeli forces violated his rights, beat him, and unleashed an Israeli military dog which attacked him."
They learned it from us.
Why are we giving these guys any money.
Serious answer?
Not in any particular order:
- Military aid to Israel is a defacto rebate for all the stuff they buy and a subsidy for the US defense industry. A lot of US politicians are on the military industrial complex payroll or end up working for it. A lot of Americans work in related industries.
- Just like with Europe, pushing them to buy American weaponry, ensures their native defense industry can’t become a significant competitor. (Obviously this is an issue in Europe right now, given we’ve been caught with a pants down because we’re too reliant on the US defense industry) For example, wouldn’t want the Israeli defense industry to develop their own highly capable missiles, because they might end up selling them to parties the US doesn’t want to have advanced tech, eg. some Israeli companies were found to have illegally sold China cruise missiles a few years back. That kind of thing would explode if the Israelis were independent for defense.
- Strategically interesting to have an ally in the middle-east, especially one with an excellent (foreign) intelligence service. Giving Israel aid also ensures neighbours don’t do anything stupid. A powerful military is the best deterent. A powerful conventional military, also avoids Israel going nuclear.
- Not the worst regime the US supports/has supported. Enemy of my enemy Real politik.
- AIPAC
- Evangelicals
- Outdated views of what Israel is actually like and a language barrier that has allowed Americans (and American reporters) to ignore the stuff not said in English.
- Israel is used to ensure continued divide and destabilization to keep the Middle East at perpetual war, making resource extraction cheaper and preventing the formation of a unified Arab block, that would have more people than the EU, be economically en par but strategically much better situated.
Note that this aspect is not exclusive to the US or EU. Russia is also quite happy with keeping the Middle East in this state. For China it remains to be seen, if they want a stable Middle East for the Belts and Roads, or if they arrange with the way it is currently.
