This happened 13 years ago at this point, and with all that “immense harm” desktop Linux is more popular than ever.
I don’t use Gnome, and it really wouldn’t matter much to me if the project ceased operations tomorrow (as long as stuff like GTK is still around), but remember that normal people like you and me work and that project, people who are passionate about making a free system to benefit everyone; and you’re calling their work “extremely harmful” when the worst thing they did was radically change the UX.
Yes Linux is more popular than ever, But when Gnome changed to Gnome Shell Linux marketshare clearly declined. That Linux has begun to rise again, is definitely not because of Gnome Shell but more despite of it.
I absolutely love how developers can do their own thing on Linux, as they say scratch your own itch.
Problem with Gnome was that the team was extremely arrogant, completely dismissed any criticism, and even rejected contributions that would remedy some of the problems. Gnome was a weird community project that didn’t give a shit about the community, and abandoned everything they used to stand for.
I wouldn’t normally have a problem with that, except Gnome’s behavior was harmful to the Linux community as a whole IMO, they abandoned their own community, deprecating gnome 2 before gnome shell was ready. They made life for other desktop projects harder, if they wanted to create an environment that supported Gnome together with other desktop environments, and for other desktop environments that wanted to allow to run programs made for Gnome somewhat seamlessly, which was tradition at the time.
How you cannot see that that is harmful and detrimental to Linux as a whole I don’t understand. Also remember Gnome had a vastly dominant presence on the Linux desktop, with about 80% user share of desktop environments. So what they decided to do, had immense influence on Linux as a whole.
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I just found that today Gnome is now only about 20% according to Arch packagestats. I can’t find good stats for marketshare between Linux desktops.
when Gnome changed to Gnome Shell Linux marketshare clearly declined. That Linux has begun to rise again, is definitely not because of Gnome Shell but more despite of it.
I’m assuming you don’t actually have data on this or you’d share it.
You keep insulting Gnome developers. You say you love how developers can do their own thing and then call the Gnome team arrogant for doing just that, in the very next sentence. They don’t have to accept criticism, they don’t have to accept contributions (think about this logically, would you want your favorite project to accept any criticism and any contributions?).
You say they hurt the ability to run Gnome apps on other desktops with Gnome 3, but both from research and personal experience I can’t figure out what you mean (I use and have used Gnome 3 apps outside of Gnome), and you don’t give any examples (despite your comment being pretty long).
This happened 13 years ago at this point, and with all that “immense harm” desktop Linux is more popular than ever.
I don’t use Gnome, and it really wouldn’t matter much to me if the project ceased operations tomorrow (as long as stuff like GTK is still around), but remember that normal people like you and me work and that project, people who are passionate about making a free system to benefit everyone; and you’re calling their work “extremely harmful” when the worst thing they did was radically change the UX.
Yes Linux is more popular than ever, But when Gnome changed to Gnome Shell Linux marketshare clearly declined. That Linux has begun to rise again, is definitely not because of Gnome Shell but more despite of it.
I absolutely love how developers can do their own thing on Linux, as they say scratch your own itch.
Problem with Gnome was that the team was extremely arrogant, completely dismissed any criticism, and even rejected contributions that would remedy some of the problems. Gnome was a weird community project that didn’t give a shit about the community, and abandoned everything they used to stand for.
I wouldn’t normally have a problem with that, except Gnome’s behavior was harmful to the Linux community as a whole IMO, they abandoned their own community, deprecating gnome 2 before gnome shell was ready. They made life for other desktop projects harder, if they wanted to create an environment that supported Gnome together with other desktop environments, and for other desktop environments that wanted to allow to run programs made for Gnome somewhat seamlessly, which was tradition at the time.
How you cannot see that that is harmful and detrimental to Linux as a whole I don’t understand. Also remember Gnome had a vastly dominant presence on the Linux desktop, with about 80% user share of desktop environments. So what they decided to do, had immense influence on Linux as a whole.
Edit:
I just found that today Gnome is now only about 20% according to Arch packagestats. I can’t find good stats for marketshare between Linux desktops.
I’m assuming you don’t actually have data on this or you’d share it.
13 years, and there’s still no feature parity.