• Adderbox76@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Devils advocate, but I feel like we threads was brigaded in advance before actually doing anything shitty.

    Yes they’re a terrible company, and yes, it’s a 99.9% certainty that federation with threads will cause an issue. However…

    If we are trying to encourage companies in general to use more FOSS and change to FOSS, then we shouldn’t be preemptively punishing them before they even join.

    Its going to turn companies off moving to FOSS and frankly it comes across as kind of dickish.

    • Defaced@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Well isn’t that what FOSS provides for us thought? The ability to control everything the software does and we own the content being shown. If we choose to block that content then that’s our right, if threads chooses to allow everything under the sun there’s nothing we can do about it but wait for Facebook to do it for us.

    • letsgo@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      The problem though is when they flip the “enshittify” switch and everyone, even you, then knows they’re the wolf in sheep’s clothing they always were, it’ll be too late, and those of us that don’t want to pay the Zuck tax or have ads shoved in our faces left right and centre is to start over.

      But we’re done retreating. They took Fark, they took Digg, they’ve just taken Reddit, and now they want Lemmy. Enough is enough. The line is drawn here and they are NOT crossing it.

      If Meta’s other sites were shining examples of the best then you might have a point. The only viable way to prevent Meta killing Lemmy is to nip them in the bud. And yes it seems mean because this is the stage when they’re pretending to be everyone’s best friend and giving us loads of stuff for free. But we know the playbook, we know they’re at step 1, and we know perfectly well that Zuck isn’t sniffing around here out of any kind of altruism but because he’s after more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

        • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          If the Threads userbase eclipses the non-Threads userbase (which it would), and their dev budget eclipses the public’s (which it would), then Threads would heavily influence the development of the entire platform. Threads-federated instances would be subject to Threads-influenced updates and “upgrades”, leading to eventual enshittification for everyone. To avoid their updates, you would need to defederate from the Threads-verse, where all the users would be.

          This strategy to take over, monetize and effectively own the Fediverse is not hyperbole. It is a known strategy used by corporations to take control of FOSS software users. It’s called " Embrace, Extend, Extinguish", if you’d like to read more on it.

          To prevent this scenario from happening to the current most active instances of the Fediverse, these instances need to stay defederated with Threads to begin with and therefore remain uninfluenced by the “development” that Threads will be pushing for Activity Pub and Lemmy servers. This is an existential crisis for Lemmy that should be taken serioualy by the current devs and instances.

          • realitista@lemm.eeEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Doesn’t this have more to do with what git pulls are accepted than the status of federation though?

            • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 months ago

              The Threads threat is a big-picture threat. The specifics can change month to month, but the end goal here is a corporate take-over of a FOSS technology.

              Gate-keeping at the dev level right now is a situation that can change over time as the corporation continues to insist itself upon the community. Ultimately, it is the community who will need to prevent this, not just the devs. We will need to stay vigilant against this threat forever.

              They are the borg. The defense against them will take stamina, patience and resilience.

        • letsgo@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 months ago

          BUY SOME SHIT!!! T BUY SOME SHIT!!! h BUY SOME SHIT!!! i BUY SOME SHIT!!! s BUY SOME SHIT!!!

          Edit: and if that’s what you want, then may I suggest Reddit as a chatroom AI bollocks with ads splattered all over them.

    • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Existing is shitty. There is no desire to “encourage” Facebook to do anything. Everything they touch is malignant and interacting with them in any way is a dumpster fire.

      Quarantining Facebook isn’t to affect their behavior in any way. It’s because the mere fact that an instance connects to Facebook makes them toxic.