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I believe it’s often because nobody does their own website anymore but instead uses managed services, e.g. Medium. Or bits of information, that would’ve been worth a blog post some while ago, end up on sites like StackOverflow, Reddit, etc… And once these services want to monetise these contents, they usually start with limiting public access.
And OTOH TikTok, Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts are doing everything they can to further limit people’s attention spans and get them addicted to those services. So the people capable of and/or interested in producing proper “content” are dwindling, too.
If Ian’s shoelace site dissapears, I’ma bounce too.
It is more important to archive things you like if you got the space. Even if you don’t plan on using it for a long time.
I remember a small RPG maker game that I no longer can find on the web, let alone anything that used to be hosted on FreewareFiles or Raymond.cc…
I used to be on the rpg maker forums back in the day, can you loosely describe it to me?
I’m guessing no luck?
Sorry no luck! I really wish we had an archive of that site. So much high quality original content.
No worries, someone found me the site it was originally on back in 2017 but lost it due to a total drive failure and only started looking for it again recently.
God bless archive.org. Fuck the turds trying to bring it down.
run the archivewarrior to help them out, donate or pressure your government to stop it from being killed.
Donate and contact your government rep
The content isn’t significantly disappearing. It is being consolidated and monetized.
But… they’ve long since figured out how to monetize without the content. So, that’s a hard disagree from me…
Donate to the internet archive!
This is important. I signed up a week ago.
This content has been moving from free accessible internet into the walled gardens of social media. we did it ourselves. blogs and forums disappeared, copycat farms and SEO made it so maintaining blog or a community forum a waste of time, everyone is just tiktoking and looking to monetise every bit of content they put on the internet.
Yeah, just like most material that was ever printed or carved into a clay tablet. It’s the way of things.
The difference is that most of that content lasted for at least a few decades, if not centuries before being lost to time. As content on the internet is ‘destroyed’ if no one hosts it any more, a lot of valuable content is being lost in just a few years after being created. Archiving needs to be more widespread and better supported if the resources and culture of the internet as it has evolved over time are to be preserved for posterity.
Some government should finally grow the balls to reform copyright, it’s insane that basically the whole world uses this broken system that, among other things, makes archiving illegal
Oh, thank fuck. David Bowie’s Area is still online.
I’ve often wondered what the implications of the internet will be for future historians. In the one hand, there is now an enormous body of writings from not just the educated elite as in the past but from all sorts of ordinary people, which is something that has never really existed before.
On the other hand, how and for how long will these writings be retained? If we stop writing things on paper, will these digital writings become completely inaccessible at some point? Could we have a situation where there are almost no writings from a certain period down the road? That would be unfortunate.
how long? until next sufficiently large solar flare, after climate change strains all infrastructure enough. not like we have that long left
Already a lot of stuff is becoming one harddrive failure away from being lost forever. Companies don’t care about preserving content, so it’s largely up to random people happening to have saved a copy of something for it to still exist at all.
And National Libraries and similar institutions around the world, for example https://www.nb.no/en/digital-preservation/
Freely licensed works will be preserved a lot better because there will be more copies of them.
Likewise the fediverse is a step in that direction: this message will be federated to hundreds of servers so is more likely to survive longer than if I posted it to reddit.
This allows the ruling class to write history as they see fit.
The biggest crime against shared knowledge ever committed is photobucket fucking off with the pictures in every “how to fix this car problem” forum post.
And all the “Thanks! Took two minutes to fix after seeing your post” comments just to rub it in.
The content isn’t significantly disappearing. It is being consolidated and monetized.
In most cases, this is because an individual page was deleted or removed on an otherwise functional website.
How is this news? I bet a lot of pages were also added in the same time frame, very likely orders of magnitude more.
I’ve heard the early Internet age referred to as the future dark ages. When all the work, information and content is digitized, it’s prone to being lost to history forever.
Early Internet - yes, but then there’s the middle Internet (or the high Internet if you like, like high Middle Ages) which was in large part scraped by archive.org, and also people generally still knew about offline backups in both eras, and then there’s the late Internet, which moved to siloed services and at the same time most people using it were and are oblivious about preserving data elsewhere. That’s the worst one.
My partner works in historical archiving for science and medicine. Museum work, basically. He’s told me so much of the archives are donated collections of notes, letters, journals, and so on from important doctors, researchers, scientists, etc. Donated by the subject themselves in their later years or by their families.
He’s told me there is a growing issue with those people starting to donate entirely digital collections, but even worse than that, are all the documents that are not being stored on a physical hard drive, but on web services and clouds. By the time these people are willing to start donating their things, so much of it has just been deleted forever without them realizing it. Or worse, they die, and their families no longer have access.
Working in IT, I told him about Microsoft’s growing push to eliminate Outlook and PST files, make it all web based email, and he wasn’t surprised, but he was still bummed to hear it. Apparently a not insignificant amount of those donations are locally stored emails.
Sure a lot of pages of ad infested ads replaced human produced content.
I bet a lot of pages were also added in the same time frame, very likely orders of magnitude more.
No. What you’d make a page for in the 00s, you’d create a FB group or something in the 10s. Hostage to corps and probably too removed for whatever reason.
And not indexed due to crawling bot-decisions
