There is no “data ownership”. It’s all made up. If you don’t want people to copy and build off your ideas, don’t share them. That’s not to defend corpos Btw. I posit that any ai models trained on public data must be open sourced by default.
Autodesk has mandatory cloud saves, and MS got caught training on private github repos. They don’t care whether it’s public or not
What did the user agreement say? Also just out of curiosity do you remember all those privacy nuts back in the day who warned us all about the dangers of closed source software?
Your heart rate. Your step count. Your location. Your searches. Your browser history. Your call history. Your contacts. Your transactions. Your credit history. Your medical history. This is data that you didn’t choose to create or share, but that you exhaust in the day-to-day things you do.
Surveillance capitalism has grown too unfathomably huge and ingrained to choose not to share this data; that would be akin to checking out of modern life wholesale in a lot of ways. Guarding this data takes not only the realisation that it needs guarding, but changing law and culture such that the parties that have to have all that data to provide you with services cannot take it from you to sell.
There’s a difference between private data and content. Obviously this is not what we’re talking about here
You were talking about data ownership, not intellectual property.
Context matters
AI is here and it’s here to stay whether we want it or not, either it’s free and legal for everyone to develop (ie training on copyrighted data does not violate copyrights), or only the massively rich corporations will be able to afford to pay for (or already happen to have the rights to as the case may be, see stock photo companies or reddit for examples) the sheer amounts of data that are needed to adequately train them
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Amen!
Yeah, I’m genuinely feeling like I don’t want to publish things I create onto the internet, because these companies will gladly break laws to use it. Companies spent decades building up ridiculous copyright laws and when they go to violate those laws themselves, law enforcement fails.
Don’t. Please stop. Don’t publish anything you don’t want shared. There was so much cool free stuff that everyone shared until content creators showed up trying to sell us shit like a bunch of car salesmen. Please stop
Oh, I do want it shared. I just don’t want to be taken advantage of by immoral companies. That’s why I would share it under licenses like AGPLv3 or CC BY-NC-SA. In a sense, I’m very much blocking others from taking the free stuff I share and turning it into a commercial product, because I do feel the same as you.
A.I. will destroy copyright completely, and I’m here for it. Art and commerce have no business being bedfellows.
Just create demented shitposts that will poison any AI, like the ones trained on Reddit posts telling users to put glue on their pizza and make chlorine gas.
I’m !selfhosted@lemmy.world all the way (even my email).
Highly recommend it, even if you start small with like just your calendar or something.
Even if you can’t self-host, maybe one of your friends can/does and would set you up on their stuff. I’ve got a handful of friends and family hooked into my stack (email, Nextcloud, Matrix, Lemmy, AdGuard DNS, etc).
Do you have a good “getting started” resource for self-hosting that you would point people to?
Not really, though there’s probably something like that out there. It’s more a collection of skills that build on each other, finding a problem to solve, and then solving it (with occasional detours along the way to fill in any knowledge gaps).
Basically, just stack these on top of each other:
- Learn basic Linux skills (I can’t in good conscious recommend hosting or even using Windows)
- Familiarize yourself with web standards. Don’t have to be an expert, just understand the basic concepts (web traffic is HTTP based, HTTP usually runs on port 80, HTTPS is secure/encrypted HTTP, don’t send passwords over HTTP, etc).
- Find a self-hosted project you’d like to play with. Usually you can just google “self hosted {thing}” such as “Self hosted trello”
- The previous step will typically land you on a Github or other project page. Review the docs for getting started on those.
- You’ll likely encounter terms or things you don’t understand. Detour to familiarize yourself with them.
- Follow the steps to get your first service up and running.
- Enjoy!
- Once you’re past that, you can fine tune, re-deploy in a better way, or otherwise optimize.
The next thing you decide to deploy will usually be easier and will further extend and cement the skills you’ve just used.
It’s definitely a process and collection of skills rather than just one monolithic thing, but each one builds off the other. There’s a learning curve, sure, but just reading the docs for different things will usually get you going or provide a “jumping off” point. e.g. Many services utilize Docker, so you’ll see that in a lot in the docs and probably end up detouring to learn the basics of working with it.
Some self-hostable applications do have easy deploy scripts which can definitely be good for beginners, but I tend to not like those as if/when something goes wrong, you’re ill-equipped to do any meaningful troubleshooting.
Members of various selfhosted communities are usually happy to help as long as you’re willing to learn; we typically don’t like to just do it for you lol.
You’ve just shared some data for free for anyone to use. Self-hosting doesn’t mean shit, my friend.
Yeah? That was the intention, lol. I self-host not because I’m a tinfoil hatter but because I want to be in charge of my own data.
I’m under no illusion that my public submissions can’t/won’t be scraped. My goal is simply to not give surveillance capitalists a mainline to my personal data nor allow myself to be turned into or used as a product to be mined and sold; I choose what I want to share. I put it out into the world, and whatever comes of it does (or doesn’t).
The difference is that only what I choose to share can be mined and not everything.
Fair enough. I just wanted to clarify that you’re aware.
We’re speeding towards a point where only the obscenely rich resource hoarders and their corporations actually own anything.
The rest of us will just use anything, including what is still technically our own bodies, at their pleasure.
Can’t say I’m quite gleeful about it tbh…
We’re going back to the feudal system
That’s a more concise way of putting it, yes 😁
In Yanis Varoufakis’s words: Techno feudalism.
Every time I hear “techno feudalism”, i feel a sense of dread
…and then happily selling it back to you for a profit.
This is how they get their revenge on piracy.
The better image is of the “Me” was drinking from the company’s pee stream.
