• volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    By the nine divines… Why does it take libs 80 years extra to reach the conclusions that Marxists have already described in detail in the last century…

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      3 months ago

      because they live in a delusional fantasy world where belief in things corellates with warm fuzzy feelings more than congruence with material reality, “truth” is socially reinforced, and… shit, shit this reminds me of something.

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      3 months ago

      Most people who were paying attention to the world when 1929 happened and witnessed the consequences up to 1945 are dying now. The people who were paying attention to the world when 2008 happened haven’t seen how the story ends.

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        3 months ago

        Oddly, 1929-1945 and 2008-2024 are the same distance apart. Were you trying to do that or is it just eerie coincidence?

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      3 months ago

      He is not taking a Marxist position. Possibly agreeing with parts of the same analysis as Marx but definitely not the same prescription. Not every criticism of Capitalism is an endorsement of Marxism

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        3 months ago

        He is not taking a Marxist position

        Precisely that’s why it’s taken him 80 years longer than Marxists to reach that conclusion.

        Not every criticism of Capitalism is an endorsement of Marxism

        Which is why non-marxist anti-capitalist movements such as Salvador Allende’s socialism in Chile, or Mosaddegh’s Iran, inevitably fail within a few years due to the lack of understanding of class struggle and the history of capitalism.

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          3 months ago

          I take it you have a Marxist state as a counter example showing it’s superiority and longevity?

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              2 months ago

              The question was superiority and longevity. Are you claiming those are both superior states as well?

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                2 months ago

                The USSR and Cuba are much more desirable than the short-lived wannabe socialist regime that led to Pinochet’s dictatorship, yes, how do you not see this?

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      3 months ago

      Mainly because we spent 80 years being told to snitch on our neighbors and that commies are the devil himself come to wipe the world clean of good moral people.

      It’s still going to be a long time till Marx is given an objective position in western society, if ever.