People are leaving New Zealand in record numbers as unemployment rises, interest rates remain high and economic growth is anaemic, government statistics show.
Data released by Statistics New Zealand on Tuesday showed that 131,200 people departed New Zealand in the year ended June 2024, provisionally the highest on record for an annual period. Around a third of these were headed to Australia.
While net migration, the number of those arriving minus those leaving, remains at high levels, economists also expect this to wane as the number of foreign nationals wanting to move to New Zealand falls due to the softer economy.
The data showed of those departing 80,174 were citizens, which was almost double the numbers seen leaving prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Just to play devils advocate though… awesome people and awesome country.
I’ve always wondered if I’d rather live there and be poor honestly than live here in Australia (which is basically at least 50% redneck at this point)
It was so weird as an American to find out that country music is huge in Australia.
It reminds me of how Mexican music was (and maybe still is) really popular in the Balkans because they were so closed off from most of the world when they were united as Yugoslavia.
Why do you find it surprising that we like country music in Australia?
Because it’s a very American form of music. In fact, a lot of it involves a bunch of jingoistic patriotic bullshit.
Australians consume a lot of American content, but not necessarily content about America.
I get that. It just seemed to me, at least before I found that out, that it was a uniquely American form of music.
Like imagine if you were from Mongolia, and someone was like, “throat-singing? We love that shit in Paraguay!” You’d probably think like I did about country music.
I guess so.
I think you can safely assume that most American culture is imported into Australia, the good and the bad.
Some ass-hats are trying to ban books about non-binary sexuality from our library. I had thought that was uniquely American.
I’m really sorry to hear that.
Some does. A lot does even, but not the best country music, not by a long shot.
“Your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore”
You should look into Australian country music, it’s different from American. American country music is still popular here but we’ve had a rich history of country music that is our own unique style.
People are leaving New Zealand in record numbers as unemployment rises, interest rates remain high and economic growth is anaemic
AFAIK they also have a somewhat severe housing crisis. No idea whether it’s actually worse than e.g. in Australia, though - who doesn’t have a housing crisis these days?
Yeah, housing is fucked. We have ignored any infrastructure investment in …40 years?
Education is fucked
Health is fucked
Tourism got fucked by COVID
That pretty much leaves farmers and tenants
When I see headlines like this about colonised places I like to dream that the indigenous people get their land back and eventually wave goodbye to the last settler/colonizer.
I understand and, in principle, agree with the sentiment, but I feel like “indigenous” implies people who’ve been there since prehistory and Aotearoa was uninhabited by humans until about 1320 CE. The “indigenous” Maori only beat the Europeans there by a few hundred years.
Like Vin Diesel said, “winning is winning,” but still, we’re not exactly talking about the kind of margin people like the Aboriginal Australians or the Native Americans had.
The Aztec Empire was founded in 1428 by people who migrated from the north to the Valley of Mexico.
By your reasoning, the Aztecs should not be counted as the indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico. They certainly are considered as such.
Similarly, the Inuit in Greenland only got there after the Vikings. The Vikings died out, the Inuit stayed. Again, they are considered indigenous.
In all three cases- the Aztecs, the Inuit and the Maori, they had developed unique cultures. In the case of the Aztecs and the Maori, Europeans then arrived and destroyed those cultures.
I mean if you really want to be technical, the only place humans are indigenous is the East African Rift Valley.
I would also suggest you look at the second definition here:
The Aztec Empire was founded in 1428 by people who migrated from the north to the Valley of Mexico.
By your reasoning, the Aztecs should not be counted as the indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico. They certainly are considered as such.
There are two ways of looking at your argument:
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Consider the Aztecs narrowly as a fully separate and distinct people. In that case, no, they don’t count as “indigenous” because there were other peoples (e.g. Teotihuacan people and Toltecs) there before them.
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Consider the Aztecs broadly, meaning you’re really talking about the Nahua people as a whole. Then yes, they do count as “indigenous,” but were also there way before 1428.
You don’t get to have it both ways, with Schrödinger’s “indigenous” being simultaneously the first and not arriving until 1428.
Your argument is like claiming that the Romans were the “indigenous” people of central Italy and have been there since 753 BCE and not a minute before, because (for some reason) the Latins and Sabines (and the Italic tribes they descended from) don’t count.
Here’s a question for you: who are the “indigenous” people of the Falkland Islands? Is it Europeans, or nobody?
Did you read the definition?
Yes. Answer the question.
If you read the definition, the question was answered before you asked it.
I want you to say it. There are two possibilities, and the conversation can’t move forward until I know which one you think it is. Quit dancing around the issue.
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Record number of people are leaving because things are so bad!!!
Wait, record number of people are arriving because things are worse elsewhere making net migration in positive? Let’s downplay that because predictions show that MIGHT slow down and it hurts our story about how bad things are.
Based on all of the pictures I have seen of how beautiful New Zealand is, I volunteer to replace any of them.
I volunteer as tribute from Utah!
If you wanna live as a monk in the country side go for it. For all other practical purposes, you probably wont like it as much as you think. People dont leave their country for no reason.
Are any of their old slots up for grabs? I work remote, get paid in a currency that’s not currently eating itself, and I can spend my weekend helping with the rat eradication if that helps with the stamp of approval.
Could Gabe Newell leave New Zealand?
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