I’ve been trying to decide what distro I want to go with for my desktop (Microsoft recently pushed copilot onto my windows 10). While I like the idea of Arch (fast, lightweight) and the fact that it’d be fully compatible with whatever I get on my steam deck, stuff like this makes me think a Debian-based distro would be better.
(That and the fact that most Linux stuff is designed for Debian and I don’t have enough experience to try and rebuild Debian stuff for Arch)
The Deck is configured by Valve in a way uniquely suited to it, and they also make sure it works properly. It’s not going to be the same on vanilla Arch installed by you on your own PC.
Common wisdom for a beginner is to use something like Debian or Debian-based like Mint or Ubuntu because they’re popular and stable so you can get a safe start. I wouldn’t recommend Arch or Arch-based to a complete beginner.
The aur usually has what I need, only have had to manually build once… Before I found the aur package. Endeavoros is a good easy way to get into arch if you are worried about the manual configuration.
Alright, cool. Why not Manjaro? I did a quick Google search and saw people saying Manjaro is bloated in comparison to EndevorOS, are there other reasons as well?
Yeah, they like forgot to reupload a new cert 3 times.
And they hold packages back. EndeavourOS uses Arch’s repos directly, whereas Manjaro has it’s own repos. EndeavourOS is just Arch with a GUI installer and some handy prepicked choices, like a DE.
DNS at any company tends to be a mess. Multiply that by a thousand for a large multinational corporation. Case in point, here’s Microsoft (and these are never going to stop, due to the sheer complexity):
Even when you use an automated service things can go wrong. For example I use Let’s Encrypt but it needs to verify my DNS ownership so I use an API token to let the certbot make the modifications to prove that. At some point I wanted to restrict the token rights so it only has access to certain TXT records (to increase security in case the token every gets compromised). Long story short I forgot to include one wildcard and that particular certificate couldn’t get renewed so it was out for the day until I fixed it.
Manjaro’s website is made for presentation purposes and whether it’s up or not has no impact on how the distro runs or whether you can download packages. Furthermore it’s a completely different team from the distro developers so this has no bearing on the package quality. I’ve been a Manjaro user when some of the manjaro.org certificates expired but I never knew about it because it didn’t affect me in any way.
manjaro.org uses Let’s Encrypt now and it’s been recently redesigned.
Just ignore “bloat” on principle. It’s a meaningless term and leads to much suffering.
Untold numbers of systems have been made unbootable, untold years of time wasted, trying to get rid of “bloat”.
The most “bloated” distro in the world is probably a default Slackware installation.
It installs every single package in its repo. Including several desktop environments and every single KDE program.
And it’s just 2/3 of the size of a Windows installation.
I’ve been trying to decide what distro I want to go with for my desktop (Microsoft recently pushed copilot onto my windows 10). While I like the idea of Arch (fast, lightweight) and the fact that it’d be fully compatible with whatever I get on my steam deck, stuff like this makes me think a Debian-based distro would be better.
(That and the fact that most Linux stuff is designed for Debian and I don’t have enough experience to try and rebuild Debian stuff for Arch)
The Deck is configured by Valve in a way uniquely suited to it, and they also make sure it works properly. It’s not going to be the same on vanilla Arch installed by you on your own PC.
Common wisdom for a beginner is to use something like Debian or Debian-based like Mint or Ubuntu because they’re popular and stable so you can get a safe start. I wouldn’t recommend Arch or Arch-based to a complete beginner.
The aur usually has what I need, only have had to manually build once… Before I found the aur package. Endeavoros is a good easy way to get into arch if you are worried about the manual configuration.
Alright, cool. Why not Manjaro? I did a quick Google search and saw people saying Manjaro is bloated in comparison to EndevorOS, are there other reasons as well?
Yeah, they like forgot to reupload a new cert 3 times.
And they hold packages back. EndeavourOS uses Arch’s repos directly, whereas Manjaro has it’s own repos. EndeavourOS is just Arch with a GUI installer and some handy prepicked choices, like a DE.
It happens to everybody, including Microsoft, Google, Amazon etc.
Actually, most of them have automatic cert renewal… in fact, most web services have that nowadays.
DNS at any company tends to be a mess. Multiply that by a thousand for a large multinational corporation. Case in point, here’s Microsoft (and these are never going to stop, due to the sheer complexity):
Even when you use an automated service things can go wrong. For example I use Let’s Encrypt but it needs to verify my DNS ownership so I use an API token to let the certbot make the modifications to prove that. At some point I wanted to restrict the token rights so it only has access to certain TXT records (to increase security in case the token every gets compromised). Long story short I forgot to include one wildcard and that particular certificate couldn’t get renewed so it was out for the day until I fixed it.
Manjaro’s website is made for presentation purposes and whether it’s up or not has no impact on how the distro runs or whether you can download packages. Furthermore it’s a completely different team from the distro developers so this has no bearing on the package quality. I’ve been a Manjaro user when some of the manjaro.org certificates expired but I never knew about it because it didn’t affect me in any way.
manjaro.org uses Let’s Encrypt now and it’s been recently redesigned.
Just ignore “bloat” on principle. It’s a meaningless term and leads to much suffering.
Untold numbers of systems have been made unbootable, untold years of time wasted, trying to get rid of “bloat”.
The most “bloated” distro in the world is probably a default Slackware installation.
It installs every single package in its repo. Including several desktop environments and every single KDE program.
And it’s just 2/3 of the size of a Windows installation.