Israel ignored an order from the U.N.’s top court to halt its military offensive in southern Gaza after South Africa accused Israel of genocide. Russia, too, has ignored the court’s call for it to end its invasion of Ukraine.
There is zero logical reason to treat Russia and Israel differently.
idk if it matters, but there is the nuance that russia and Ukraine were friends once and russia backstabbed them, while palestine and israel never were friends and it’s a smoldering conflict with 80 years of atrocities on both sides, that now escalated into this new dimension of a shitshow.
The both sides argument ignores the difference in scale. Palestinian atrocities are on the scale or killing a family or blowing up a bus, while Israeli atrocities are more on the massacring a village or blowing up a 100 member family to oblivion level.
Here’s one reason for you to digest: hamas refuses to recognize Israel as a country and would rather Israel be totally destroyed than recognize it in some way to have peace.
You can’t say Ukraine refuses to recognize russia as a country and it is a fact that Ukraine would stop fighting the moment all russians fuck off back to russia. Can you say hamas will stop fighting even if Israel finallt took its grubby hands off the West Bank and Gaza? hah, no.
There is also the other reason that russia is doing both the brutality of Israel and the unrestrained suicidal fanaticism of hamas on Ukraine. You can bothsides Israel-hamas to some extent, not Ukraine.
I mean… I’d like to use as a counterpoint that Israel claimed to support a state of Palestine, basically right up until the British left.
Then suddenly things got a lot more ‘Eretz Yisrael’.
I don’t doubt that Hamas might say they’re fine with the existence of Israel so long as they have no alternative, and their idea of Israel is probably different than Israel’s current borders, just like Bibi and his assholes have been trying to mumble noncommittal noises while they tried to bulldozer their way to the Jordan.
Anything that pushes the settlers out of the West Bank and keeps them out of Gaza should be a strong enough signal to be met by a serious and verifiable commitment by Palestine not to do any dodgy mass rearmament on Israel’s borders. From there, things could only get better if that deal holds, but yea, bibi isn’t capable of that, he’s a coward who will sink Israel.
There is zero logical reason to treat Russia and Israel differently.
idk if it matters, but there is the nuance that russia and Ukraine were friends once and russia backstabbed them, while palestine and israel never were friends and it’s a smoldering conflict with 80 years of atrocities on both sides, that now escalated into this new dimension of a shitshow.
People of all religions used to coexist in the area before the Brits declared they were in charge and segregation was a good idea.
Jews did not have equal rights in the Jerusalem Sanjak until the Ottoman Reform Edict of 1856.
Before that you had things like the 1847 ethnic cleansing of Jews in Jerusalem, or the 1834 looting of Safed.
Should have had a flag…
The Brits? Try the Third Crusade.
The both sides argument ignores the difference in scale. Palestinian atrocities are on the scale or killing a family or blowing up a bus, while Israeli atrocities are more on the massacring a village or blowing up a 100 member family to oblivion level.
You understand that’s only from lack of resources? It’s not from lack of trying?
it hardly matters if you blow up 1 or 100 it’s both murder. i’m not willing to argue who the better murderers are. it’s pretty obvious.
There remains one important difference - Oct 7
Well Hamas is no Ukrane but sure
Hamas isn’t a territory. Gaza is. Israel is invading Gaza.
politics has never been logical.
Here’s one reason for you to digest: hamas refuses to recognize Israel as a country and would rather Israel be totally destroyed than recognize it in some way to have peace.
You can’t say Ukraine refuses to recognize russia as a country and it is a fact that Ukraine would stop fighting the moment all russians fuck off back to russia. Can you say hamas will stop fighting even if Israel finallt took its grubby hands off the West Bank and Gaza? hah, no.
There is also the other reason that russia is doing both the brutality of Israel and the unrestrained suicidal fanaticism of hamas on Ukraine. You can bothsides Israel-hamas to some extent, not Ukraine.
Post 7th Oct I refuse to recognise Israel as a country. It’s clearly a terrorist state hellbent on the genocide of the Palestinians.
It needs to go.
By need to go you do you mean that you want a one state solution?
good luck o7
I mean… I’d like to use as a counterpoint that Israel claimed to support a state of Palestine, basically right up until the British left.
Then suddenly things got a lot more ‘Eretz Yisrael’.
I don’t doubt that Hamas might say they’re fine with the existence of Israel so long as they have no alternative, and their idea of Israel is probably different than Israel’s current borders, just like Bibi and his assholes have been trying to mumble noncommittal noises while they tried to bulldozer their way to the Jordan.
Anything that pushes the settlers out of the West Bank and keeps them out of Gaza should be a strong enough signal to be met by a serious and verifiable commitment by Palestine not to do any dodgy mass rearmament on Israel’s borders. From there, things could only get better if that deal holds, but yea, bibi isn’t capable of that, he’s a coward who will sink Israel.
100%
We need to build a wall around bibi and his settlers, and Hamas, and let them not be our problem anymore, bibi hijacked the whole course of events.
I really miss Barak, but anybody serious about peace learned the lesson of Rabin.
I don’t think it broke international law, well, outside of the civilian casualties.
But… It should have. We need something so you can’t do stupid crap like this without some authorization, ie the UN has to sanction it somehow.
Which basically makes it impossible in most cases, but it should be.
Do you believe Putin when he says ukraine is committing geoncide against Russians in the donbas?
if not, then I’m not sure why you would believe hamas when they claim that israel is committing genocide against palestinians in gaza.
There is zero logical reason to treat Russia and Palestine differently.
You’re wrong. There’s one reason (whether it’s logical or not, I’m not discussing it):
The US supports one but not the other one.