Yes yes, I REALLY want to terminate that process and I am very sure about it too, ty.
Enters the chatHow the OOM Killer asks a process to terminate:
indiscriminate spraying
My problem with Windows is that when I want to eject a USB drive, Windows refuses to do so, refuses to tell me what program is apparently still using the drive, and certainly refuses to kill that program. I am removing the drive. I can’t just not remove it!
At that point, you need to live dangerously and just yank it.
The worst part is that with Quick Removal it’s pretty much always safe to just remove it
This is entirely wrong
“Userid 1000 will shut down in 2 minutes”
Or whatever it says
I haven’t seen that in a while. When you see that it means either that the service didn’t handle the terminate signal correctly or that is is busy doing something. (Sometimes both)
I was just using it as an example against the 2nd image
Typing “kill -9” into a terminal is the equivalent to breaking out the acetylene torch when a nut won’t budge
KDE now too
KDE can murder windows instantly (you have to set a shortcut), or you can also just send SIGKILL to the process
It even kills threads currently executing a system call! The brutality!
Never even returned to userspace…
And as always with this meme: Both Windows and Linux can ask a process nicely to terminate or kill it outright. And the default for both is to ask nicely.
on windows a process can get in a state so that it is impossible to make it go away, even with process explorer or process hacker. mostly this also involves the bugged software becoming unusable.
I encounter such a situation from time to time. one way it could happen is if the USB controller has got in an invalid state, which one of my pendrives can semi-reliably reproduce. when that happens, any process attempting to deal with that device or its FS, even the built-in program to remove the drive letter, will stop working and hang as an unkillable process.
Linux has that issue too. A process in an uninterruptible blocking syscall stays until that syscall finishes, which can be never if something weird’s going on.
oh, that’s good to know! iirc that’s the same reason it happens on windows too
oh, that’s good to know! iirc that’s the same reason it happens on windows too
I’ve seen that on Linux as well. Funnily enough also with faulty file systems. I think NFS with spotty wifi for one.
Oh, and once with a dying RAID controller. That was a pain in the ass. At that point I swore to only ever do RAID in software.
oh yeah now that you say, SMB/CIFS mounted share if connection is no more. when I experienced this, it was temporary though, because there’s a timeout which is half (or double?) of the configurable reconnection timeout. but now that I think of it, I’m not sure if it made it unkillable.
Windows can kill a process outright.
Hmmmm…
Well, with linux you get the option of sending mixed signals through the use of varying count of guns. I find 9 to be highly effective.
It’s awesome Linux can STOP and CONT processes ngl
Next, you’ll tell me I shouldn’t get all my news from memes!
Because that’s better for the software, Linux however kills it outright when it doesn’t respond at all. Windows just… Waits. And you can’t really hardkill the processes from the task manager. Or at last my last knowledge is that.
League of Legends captures and discards the ALT-F4 keystroke combination.
Microsoft trusts app developers to use Microsoft’s standards (such as terminating the process when a close message is received) and they shouldn’t. App developers like Riot have taken advantage of this trust and tuned their apps to act differently than expected, and include code which makes the app minimize to the system tray instead, or force the user to answer questions (“Are you SURE you want to close?”), or do nothing at all.
It should be punishable by death.
Linux programs can also capture signal calls. They usually only capture sigints so that they can close gracefully, but theoretically you could also capture a sigkill.
You can easily make a program unkillable (or to be more precise untermable) on Linux. Here’s a simple bash script that will do that.
#!/bin/bash function finish { while true do echo "Can't kill me." sleep 10 done } trap finish EXIT trap finish TERM trap finish INT while true do echo "Still alive." sleep 10 done
xkillis one of my favorite commandsIs there a Wayland equivalent?
I dunno; I sadly can’t use Wayland yet bc I have Nvidia
I don’t know if you heard, but the Nvidia issues are solved (mostly).
The issue most people had was with Explicit Sync, which was patched in the proprietary Nvidia driver 555 which is upstream on most distros.
Good to know; I’ll check it out!
Open the process list in your system monitor of choice, right click, signal, sigkill.
You can also open a monitor and use top or any variant to detect the process number and manually
kill -KILL numberI really want the convenience of binding xkill to a key, which I can use to double tap programs like the undead zombie they’ve become.
Dunno, create a script that uses a program to get the process number of the current active window or the window the mouse is hovering, and then kill that? Bind that script inor a key with whatever program and voilá.
It’s more involved sure but there’s your option.
Great idea, now I just need to know how to do that.
What’s your desktop environment? I’m pretty sure hyperland and sway will give a json output of open Windows.
You could parse that with jq and pipe it into fzf or dmenu?
Not quite the same as the clicking but probably just as quick.
Get learning lol. I know that there’s some command line program that gives process info on mouse hover and then that can be parsed with awk to get the pid, then pipe that again into kill -kill. Then use xbindkeys or whatever keybindings program to bind that script to a key.
Tbh. For involved stuff like this chatgpt will help you more than stackoverflow.
I’ve honestly not had this problem on windows since Windows 8.
ps aux | grep <process>. kill <pid>
kill -9 $(pidof <process>)
killallworks great for this.At that point you can just hard restart as well. Most motherboards accept 10 to 15 seconds of power button as “my OS is fucked please help” and restart the machine for you.
killall just kills all instances of a program, not everything.
and also, long pressing the power button should just shut it down, no?
Sigterm: “End this process or next time I bring my -9”
My tec-9
you forgot that you have to spend about 2 minutes with windows “searching for a solution” (who knows what that does??) and then another minute reporting it to microsoft
Unless it is nfs unmount on down server. Or failed disk…
