• ravhall@discuss.online
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        Do you agree that the CCP was responsible for thousands of deaths during the Tiananmen Square massacre? Do you agree that China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs?

        If you agree, think you might agree, or don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about, you shouldn’t be on lemmy.ml

        • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml
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          The fuck? Who are you to say who should be on lemmy.ml? Just because I don’t agree with some of the people that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be here.

          Get the fuck out of here with that segregation bullshit. I don’t want an instance that defederate from everything I don’t agree with.

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            2 months ago

            Either you do not know anything about your instance, or you disagree with my comments about China. Which one is it?

          • JoYo 🇺🇸@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            they’re projecting.

            they want to destroy anyone that doesn’t share their opinions on their instance and assume that’s what happens here.

          • sorghum@sh.itjust.works
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            You missed the point. He’s saying if you hold those positions, then your account isn’t safe there. I just avoid the .ml servers in general because of their heavy handed and politically charged moderating. Admins and power mods ruined reddit, I’d recommend not committing the same mistakes here.

            .ml servers started the segregationist bullshit with their moderating. I’d also be interested in what your stance was on most every server defederating with exploding heads and burggit back last year.

            • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml
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              I don’t know anything about exploding heads and burggit but I assume they are right-leaning/alt-right. Like lemmygrad but the "opposite?) I am against defederation in general. I like to be exposed to different opinions and I am fully capable to use my brain to not become an extremist.

              That said, I don’t agree with either the extremist left or right.

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                You seem to be basing your defense of your instance on the misguided belief that they don’t defederate from people. I’d look into that if I were you.

        • Urist@lemmy.ml
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          Truthfully, if anyone can give an independent first hand report about the treatment of Uyghurs in China (that is not coming from propaganda vehicles like the Victims of Communism Foundation), I would be most interested.

          No, I am not saying this in rebuttal to anything.

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              2 months ago

              Yes. Though serious human rights violations are not the same as genocide and concentrations camps, as both the above poster and Victims of Communism Foundation wants us to believe.

              That means in no way that those violations are acceptable.

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                And, likewise, the UN stating that serious human rights violations occurred is not the same as them all saying they aren’t committing genocide

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                  No, but I am not the one making statements. I only asked for sources that supported those made by others.

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                “allegations of patterns of torture, or ill-treatment, including forced medical treatment and adverse conditions of detention, are credible, as are allegations of individual incidents of sexual and gender-based violence.”

                And this is from what China let them see.

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                  Individual incidents of sexual and gender-based violence are horrible, but not nearly the same as sexual violence employed on scale through genocidal concentration camps, which is claimed by US propaganda machines. Individual incidents of sexual violence unfortunately happen everywhere, and pretending otherwise is wilful ignorance of an endemic problem for the purpose of, what I have to assume is, an underlying agenda. Stop moving the goal post and stop using reductive argumentation to score cheap shots at China. If China really is as bad as claimed, which I am not categorically refuting, then make the proper case for it.

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          Yes to both. I absolutely despise both country’s governments because of their actions. However mirroring the government’s actions to individuals living in a country does not seem fair. I fucking hate my country’s president, and would celebrate it if he died. Why should I get judged based on his actions?

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            No one’s judging you based on his actions, they’re judging you based on your actions. That being to have your account on an instance that supports those actions.

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            2 months ago

            You’re not being judged. We are letting you know what your instance is really about. Stay if you want, but you don’t align with it.

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    that is not good. im from turkey but, imagine your in Russia. you contributed for years to linux, they removed you from MAINTAINERS for your nation. 😐

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    It’s a shame they didn’t consider moving the LF foundation to Europe or something. If the choice is kick out contributors to support sanctions or operate without political pressure, the second is far better.

    I cannot stand Putin or Russia’s action, but punishing individual contributors just trying to write code and build Linux isn’t helpful.

    Unless evidence is found of malicious commits, it is pretty harsh on those caught up with this.

    Let’s remember that many Russians will probably be locked up and/or killed for coming out against Putin. Punishing them achieves nothing.

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      They removed russian maintainers that are associated with sanctioned companies. Individual russian contributers were unaffected by this.

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        They removed russian maintainers that are associated with sanctioned companies

        Your are voluntarily spreading fake news and you are getting upvoted for that !

        They have removed every person they suspected to be russian or have a russian “.ru” domain name in their email from the maintainers list.

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          Sorry bot, only those working for companies under sanction. And this doesn’t mean they can’t contribute, just that their contributions need to be approved by someone else.

          But I’m pretty sure the Russian git repo will allow us based Microsoft employees be on the mantainers list… Right? Russia state is nothing if not honest, consistent and imperi… friendly with other nations

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      2 months ago

      Well confined in their instances for now. Wait until .ml and the Grad starts overflowing.

      • rando@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        wait is there problem with .ml ? I’ve been using this account for more than an year. Is that the reason I see hexbear posts (I want to block this instance, but don’t think it’s possible from account)

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          It is actually possible to block an instance with your account. I heard Voyager and vanilla Lemmy allow this

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            found it, thanks for pointing it (I use Voyager). I may move instance if it’s possible

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    To my complete lack of surprise, Russia is a freer country for free software developers than the United States.

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    It was the right move, but this needs to be expanded. Assume there are state actors from all of the major countries installing backdoors.

    The digital war front will be getting hit from all sides. We need extreme paranoia to protect all of the innocent bystanders. Don’t assume even your own country is trustworthy in this.