Do you agree that the CCP was responsible for thousands of deaths during the Tiananmen Square massacre? Do you agree that China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs?
If you agree, think you might agree, or don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about, you shouldn’t be on lemmy.ml
Truthfully, if anyone can give an independent first hand report about the treatment of Uyghurs in China (that is not coming from propaganda vehicles like the Victims of Communism Foundation), I would be most interested.
You mean something like the UN Human Rights Office report that concluded “China responsible for ‘serious human rights violations’ in Xinjiang province”?
Yes. Though serious human rights violations are not the same as genocide and concentrations camps, as both the above poster and Victims of Communism Foundation wants us to believe.
That means in no way that those violations are acceptable.
“allegations of patterns of torture, or ill-treatment, including forced medical treatment and adverse conditions of detention, are credible, as are allegations of individual incidents of sexual and gender-based violence.”
Individual incidents of sexual and gender-based violence are horrible, but not nearly the same as sexual violence employed on scale through genocidal concentration camps, which is claimed by US propaganda machines. Individual incidents of sexual violence unfortunately happen everywhere, and pretending otherwise is wilful ignorance of an endemic problem for the purpose of, what I have to assume is, an underlying agenda. Stop moving the goal post and stop using reductive argumentation to score cheap shots at China. If China really is as bad as claimed, which I am not categorically refuting, then make the proper case for it.
Any case you’ll say it’s not first hand and therefore invalid.
You also seem to have narrow attention span. Seems the bit about torture, forced medical treatments, detention… Somehow eluded you. You saw the word “individual” and held to that like a Chinese state doctor holds a healthy kidney.
But that happens everywhere, am I right?
Yet here you are, taking about some hypothetical “US propaganda machine”, without making s proper case for it.
This brand of deflection, “well, I’m not denying, but we can’t say for certain, and actually everywhere there are issues” isn’t new nor very effective. You might need to update your training data, give it a few more cycles. At least don’t throw it back to back in the conversion, jus much more noticeable that way.
Yes to both. I absolutely despise both country’s governments because of their actions. However mirroring the government’s actions to individuals living in a country does not seem fair. I fucking hate my country’s president, and would celebrate it if he died. Why should I get judged based on his actions?
No one’s judging you based on his actions, they’re judging you based on your actions. That being to have your account on an instance that supports those actions.
You missed the point. He’s saying if you hold those positions, then your account isn’t safe there. I just avoid the .ml servers in general because of their heavy handed and politically charged moderating. Admins and power mods ruined reddit, I’d recommend not committing the same mistakes here.
.ml servers started the segregationist bullshit with their moderating. I’d also be interested in what your stance was on most every server defederating with exploding heads and burggit back last year.
I don’t know anything about exploding heads and burggit but I assume they are right-leaning/alt-right. Like lemmygrad but the "opposite?) I am against defederation in general. I like to be exposed to different opinions and I am fully capable to use my brain to not become an extremist.
That said, I don’t agree with either the extremist left or right.
Oh noes, I bet lemmy.ml users all switch.
They will go down with the Russian ship.
Da fuq?
Do you agree that the CCP was responsible for thousands of deaths during the Tiananmen Square massacre? Do you agree that China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs?
If you agree, think you might agree, or don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about, you shouldn’t be on lemmy.ml
Truthfully, if anyone can give an independent first hand report about the treatment of Uyghurs in China (that is not coming from propaganda vehicles like the Victims of Communism Foundation), I would be most interested.
No, I am not saying this in rebuttal to anything.
You mean something like the UN Human Rights Office report that concluded “China responsible for ‘serious human rights violations’ in Xinjiang province”?
Yes. Though serious human rights violations are not the same as genocide and concentrations camps, as both the above poster and Victims of Communism Foundation wants us to believe.
That means in no way that those violations are acceptable.
And this is from what China let them see.
Individual incidents of sexual and gender-based violence are horrible, but not nearly the same as sexual violence employed on scale through genocidal concentration camps, which is claimed by US propaganda machines. Individual incidents of sexual violence unfortunately happen everywhere, and pretending otherwise is wilful ignorance of an endemic problem for the purpose of, what I have to assume is, an underlying agenda. Stop moving the goal post and stop using reductive argumentation to score cheap shots at China. If China really is as bad as claimed, which I am not categorically refuting, then make the proper case for it.
Any case you’ll say it’s not first hand and therefore invalid.
You also seem to have narrow attention span. Seems the bit about torture, forced medical treatments, detention… Somehow eluded you. You saw the word “individual” and held to that like a Chinese state doctor holds a healthy kidney.
But that happens everywhere, am I right?
Yet here you are, taking about some hypothetical “US propaganda machine”, without making s proper case for it.
This brand of deflection, “well, I’m not denying, but we can’t say for certain, and actually everywhere there are issues” isn’t new nor very effective. You might need to update your training data, give it a few more cycles. At least don’t throw it back to back in the conversion, jus much more noticeable that way.
And, likewise, the UN stating that serious human rights violations occurred is not the same as them all saying they aren’t committing genocide
No, but I am not the one making statements. I only asked for sources that supported those made by others.
So now you know it’s real.
Yes to both. I absolutely despise both country’s governments because of their actions. However mirroring the government’s actions to individuals living in a country does not seem fair. I fucking hate my country’s president, and would celebrate it if he died. Why should I get judged based on his actions?
You’re not being judged. We are letting you know what your instance is really about. Stay if you want, but you don’t align with it.
No one’s judging you based on his actions, they’re judging you based on your actions. That being to have your account on an instance that supports those actions.
The fuck? Who are you to say who should be on lemmy.ml? Just because I don’t agree with some of the people that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be here.
Get the fuck out of here with that segregation bullshit. I don’t want an instance that defederate from everything I don’t agree with.
Either you do not know anything about your instance, or you disagree with my comments about China. Which one is it?
they’re projecting.
they want to destroy anyone that doesn’t share their opinions on their instance and assume that’s what happens here.
Lolol
“they’re projecting”
Projects harder than anyone else
“See?!”
You missed the point. He’s saying if you hold those positions, then your account isn’t safe there. I just avoid the .ml servers in general because of their heavy handed and politically charged moderating. Admins and power mods ruined reddit, I’d recommend not committing the same mistakes here.
.ml servers started the segregationist bullshit with their moderating. I’d also be interested in what your stance was on most every server defederating with exploding heads and burggit back last year.
I don’t know anything about exploding heads and burggit but I assume they are right-leaning/alt-right. Like lemmygrad but the "opposite?) I am against defederation in general. I like to be exposed to different opinions and I am fully capable to use my brain to not become an extremist.
That said, I don’t agree with either the extremist left or right.
You seem to be basing your defense of your instance on the misguided belief that they don’t defederate from people. I’d look into that if I were you.