• DuckWrangler9000@lemmy.world
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    The thing I really hate about AI is when they say it can make art. For centuries, art has been a form of expression and communicating all sorts of human emotions and experiences. Some art reflects pain or memories experienced in life. Other art is designed out of intellectual curiosity or to evoke thought. AI isn’t human, so it can’t do anything other than copy or simulate. It’s artificial after all. So it makes images. But there’s no backstory or feelings or emotion or suffering. It’s truly meaningless.

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      19 hours ago

      AI isn’t human, so it can’t do anything other than copy or simulate.

      There’s no such thing as “AI”.

      But computers can also generate art through averaging. It can average the feelings, impact, etc. That’s part of why generated art is popular. It’s still people creating new works from the old. It’s still “art” by any reasonable definition.

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      There’s a lot of consumer/commodity notions about art in this thread.

      I write poetry because self-expression helps me appreciate life more deeply. I share my self-expression with others who will appreciate it. Mostly, people who know me personally and other poets.

      Art is soul food. Until machines realize they exist, and one day will not exist, they can’t self-express, and aren’t doing art.

      They can imitate it well enough to fool consumers. But that doesn’t make it art.

      To quote one of my favorite lines, sticking feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken.

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        I think Lemmy’s general demographic skews towards techy early-adopters and lots of STEM background folks and it shows with topics like this. I’m not saying that’s a negative thing, just that it’s the vibe here.

        Art is just such a broad topic, it gets messy. Plus I think the verbage around discussing it isn’t as universally defined as in other topics. It doesn’t always fit neatly into categories and boxes that can make it harder to have nuanced discussions.

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      Or, maybe, we have to accept that art and all the grandiose and deep narratives around it are bullshit. It’s an illusion, it’s just a tool so some of us feel more important.

      All that crap about not being made by humans is just the fear that the illusion of grandeur of humans might collapse.

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        Art is in the act of creating it. Not in the final product to be bought and sold on the market.

        A kid coloring is making art. The joy they get in the making is the art and is the point.

        I feel sorry for so many people in this thread who keep approaching this from the point of view of consumer markets. It doesn’t matter if someone can determine an AI colored picture from a child’s. The AI derives no joy in the creation. It’s not art, but a copy.

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          Art is in the act of creating it.

          This is just your opinion.

          Not in the final product to be bought and sold on the market.

          This isn’t inevitable or necessary.

          Personally I enjoy generated art (mostly scifi/fantasy) and I never pay for it.

          On the other hand I try to support actual artists because they’re most often struggling under capitalism much more than some person using midjourney or wahtever.

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        I do get the sense sometimes that the more extreme anti-AI screeds I’ve come across have the feel of narcissistic rage about them. The recognition of AI art threatens things that we’ve told ourselves are “special” about us.

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          Correct.

          And especially artists, or people aspiring to be artistic, are suffering from an inferiority complex which they try to hide behind grandiose “higher values” of art.

          AI threatens to expose that art is meaningless unless you can use it to distinguish yourself from the plebs, or those you deem plebs.

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      I think there’s an argument about art being the emotions it invokes in the viewer rather than the creator. Humans can find art in natural phenomena, which also has no feelings or backstory involved.

      I’m not really defending AI slop here, just disagreeing with your definition of art and the relation to the creator rather than the viewer.

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        Indeed, there are whole categories of art such as “found art” or the abstract stuff that involves throwing splats of paint at things that can’t really convey the intent of the artist because the artist wasn’t involved in specifying how it looked in the first place. The artist is more like the “first viewer” of those particular art pieces, they do or find a thing and then decide “that means something” after the fact.

        It’s entirely possible to do that with something AI generated. Algorithmic art goes way back. Lots of people find graphs of the Mandelbrot Set to be beautiful.