I have been spending the holidays with my fiance’s family. All of them are die hard trump supporters. This town they live in, are all die hard trump supporters.
We went out to a restaurant with my fiance’s parents and their friends. When it came time to pay their friends whipped out their cards and showed the table. Each card had a sticker delicately placed, the content of the stickers were of donald trump in many different contexts. Djt as a dollar bill, djt wearing a fake mustache at his mugshot, djt assasination attempt, etc. I was absolutely appalled. Then the waiter came over and I was expecting to see him perturbed as well. Nope. He wanted one and asked if they had anymore. They then gave him one and helped him put it on. In the middle of his shift.
Obviously trump is fucking disgusting in more ways than one. What baffles me is how you can flagrantly carry around a proven rapist in your wallet when you are a woman, not just a woman but a woman of color. Which the friend waving this dipshit around and making the stickers is.
I mean this man has literally talked about immigrants “poisoning the blood of this nation”. These are actual fucking people he talks about and demonizes. People with families, lives, and friends. All that care just gets thrown out the window with these people.
I hate living in trump country, because I feel like I am losing my mind when everyone around me is flaunting him like their own son who graduated as validictorian. As if these people are part of his club. When he is one of the most disgusting individuals I have had the displeasure of hearing about for over 8 years going on 12 now. How can you be so ignorant? Every passing day in this state I understand more and more how Hitler gripped the minds of the masses and came into power so easily. People are so fucking stupid.
Please for my sanity, I need to talk to people who know this monster for who he truly is. How do you cope being in a similar situation? How do you speak up?
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Basically it makes no sense to try to teach trigonometry to a toddler sitting in mud. Just think happy thoughts and GTFO as soon as your social obligation is fulfilled. Also these people might or might not individually be rape apologists - not sure why that’s the focus of the headline - but most MAGAs simply don’t believe he raped anybody.
Trust me we are tryting to get out asap. It’s hard with our situation currently.
At the end of the day is it still not rape apology? Just because you think it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it didn’t actually happen. They may not individually think they are rape apologists but they still are.
It’s the same with abortion, they don’t all individually think it’s trying to control women, but it absolutely is.
I mean I guess at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what is true because maga just decides what they want to be true or false. So even if you call them what they are it bounces off of them. It’s endless goalpost moving.
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No, to be an apologist for something you have to believe it happened. You know, people can still be wrong and horrible even if they aren’t guilty of 100.0000% of everything you would like to accuse them of. Conceding one little point doesn’t mean you’re calling them the good guys, it just means your being realistic.
People who continue to remain ignorant and not look up the facts of the case, yet continue to flagrantly say “it didn’t happen” are rape apologists. If you continue to support a person who has been convicted of rape, yet you stay ignorant to the details while still claiming “it didn’t happen”. You are a rape apologist. First and foremost the victim and their condition should be first to come to mind. Not the plausible innocence of the rapeist no matter how close you were to them ir how ‘great’ they are. What this is doing is invalidating the trauma of the victim. You can still be ignorant and a rape apologist. Most if not all of my maga interactions have been this way. (Anecdotal I know)
At the end of the day yes their are many things that make maga evil and Abhorrent. The quick outright dismissal of this case from them is one of the many. I’m not trying to throw titles I think are illegitimate.
Do I think all of maga believes it didn’t happen? No. That would be ludicrous. A large portion probably have no idea who E Jean Caroll is. Do I think the majority of maga if presented with the case and asked if they believed it happened would say ‘no’? Yes.
That is exactly how his base has been primed to react.
I don’t think all of MAGA believes it didn’t happen either. All I’m saying, which nobody seems to want to hear, is that people aren’t memes, they’re individuals. Many MAGA people genuinely believe all the accusations against Trump and all his criminal convictions are just crooked manipulations by the “Biden crime family” etc. I don’t know why it’s so hard to accept that being right doesn’t require being 100% right about every single fucking point. Being anti-Trump is right enough without insisting that every single MAGA person is a “rape apologist”. It’s just not realistic, and not necessary. There’s far more ignorance in the world than evil.
It sounds like you’re marrying into a family that you heavily despise, but that is the narrow opinion of a random internet stranger.
I empathize with your situation, but I would strongly recommend against seeking random advice from internet strangers, even if there appear to be no other alternatives. Random advice is often worse than no advice; Coincidentally, that is the path many took to become MAGA - do not make their same mistake.
Nah my fiance is just like me when it comes to politics, situations like these, etc. She is The perfect partner. She is also navigate this situation with her parents because she loves them but hates their beliefs.
I appreciate your advice, I will be dilligent in this comment section. I think for the most part I am just looking for conversation with people who actually try and critically think. Due to being surrounded by people who seem to just shut off their brain. I feel like I am losing my sanity.
Thank you for your comment kind stranger.
Every passing day in this state I understand more and more how Hitler gripped the minds of the masses and came into power so easily. People are so fucking stupid.
Many tried to figure that out about the Nazis, and it became obvious why
10 percent of any population is cruel, no matter what, and 10 percent is merciful, no matter what, and the remaining 80 percent can be moved in either direction - Susan Sontag
You’re up against the 90% . its not that they are stupid they are literally unable to care beyond the small circle of their family/friends that are like them.
It’s disappointing that you are probably right… I just wish we could get through to them.
I don’t speak up in those situations unless there’s a decent number of people on my side. It wouldn’t change anything if I did. I have a discord where my friends and I vent about the state of the world. That helps a little to at least keep my feet on the ground.
Yeah me and my fiance have been trying to just hsve more 2 on 1 convos with her parents. They seem a lot more reasonable that way. I wish I knew how to make friends online. I feel awkward when trying lol. Idk how to get over it 😅
Mine are RL friends we just talk online mostly these days. Online friends I’ve only been successful at making when I played WOW and some of them have continued on through the years. Nothing else has really stuck and I don’t have time for MMOs these days.
Then just leave, madam/sir (are you a madam/sir ?) You are free to leave & live alone
It’s pretty comfy & good for sanity (compared to what you’re facing now) This is an honest advice
It’s actually sir 😅 me and my fiance are living in the same state as my in laws many hours away. We live on our own with the exception of a roomate. We were visiting for the holidays and it was just a really gross ridiculous display to me. Me and my fiance both hate this state and are trying to figure out how to get the hell out of here as quickly as feasibly possible.
Move. They won’t change. My sanity improved greatly when I moved to a blue city in a blue state away from my Trumper family. We will never be compatible.
we are really trying to… I think it would help a lot too.
This is sofar out of my experience I don’t even get it. stickers on cards? credit cards? it was time to pay yeah? did they deface america(n currency)? I don’t get it.
This is why I don’t give a single fuck about politics. You both sides sound insane. Left wing, ring wing. Y’all suck.
I’ll stick with chicken wings.
You can continue not giving a fuck right up until everything collapses around you and you can’t understand why.
Is not like I can change anything about it
If we act together, there’s actually lot we can do about it. At the least, we can soften the blows. If you look in the right places you’ll find that some people are doing something about it and could use some extra help. Participation in local mutual aid groups has surged in the wake of the election.
