Really annoying!
What the FUCK.
I immediately went to settings and, I guess at some point I’d already given these swine my phone number? Went to remove it and I’ve greeted by this wonderful toast message=
God I wish something was fully suitable as an easy discord replacement 😭 spacebar seems rad if it wasn’t super alpha. And as cool as element is, it just doesn’t have the same low bar to entry that discord has (not to mention group calls are jank as hell, when they work, and there’s no screen share yet tragically)…
Just change your number to something like 07777777777. That will work for the UK.
It doesn’t work for me because it asks for a code ):
It’s a shame that spacebar and revolt did not really take off so far.
this is the first time I’ve heard of spacebar
Yeah, that’s the problem - none has. Sadly I also only read about it here in a previous post about discord a few months ago.
Year of Elements/Matrix when?
I really like using Element, but there are so many issues besides the not so intuitive account system, that deters the average user
They also sell that number, all your chat logs, voice calls and media to AI training companies.
Dont be a loser, dont use discord.
Source? The only record of data being sold I remember is some 3rd-party that scraped public servers.
Per their privacy policy they collect
Content you create. This includes any content that you upload to the service. For example, you may write messages or posts (including drafts), send voice messages, create custom emojis, or post other content that you create with features that we develop. You may also upload and share files through the services.
Thats what they collect(so not the calls apparently my bad). In regards to how they use it, they mention advertisement stuff and the usual vague language of “improve our services” and “personalization”. The AI stuff is supposedly opt in, but they collect the data and they are subject to US subpoenas so all bets are off anyways.
I’m not saying it’s a perfect service, I’d rather all private messages be E2E encrypted, but there’s no evidence Discord themselves have ever sold any data, so I don’t understand why we are making crazy claims when them collecting data is a privacy issue enough on it’s own.
Calls recently got encryption, so while Discord is as popular as it is, we can only hope they keep expanding encryption into other areas.
As much as I would love it I don’t think we are gonna see more encryption in the discord ecosystem. I am convinced that discord was not recording calls prior to introducing e2ee since they were peer to peer so they are not giving up any data in adding it
It would be absurd to record calls, the expense of it isnt worth it.
I doubt it too, but it’s okay, I mostly use it for calls anyway. The messages are just organising times.
there’s no evidence Discord themselves have ever sold any data
Even if that were true, thats not how things work in the real world. If you cant mathematically prove that you dont have access to the data, then you arent trustworthy.
Calls recently got encryption
Says who? Discord themselves? Did the publish the code?
Can you provide a source then if it isn’t true? I am genuinely curious.
And yes, they did publish the code for their e2ee protocol.
The whole internet is the same, unless you are running all your own built software that you can vet, you are just putting faith in what a company/individual is telling you. If you want to use the internet, there’s always the inherent risk your data is being collected and sold without you knowing.
The data collected sounds like a nothing-burger. Of course they collect the data you upload, and of course they store data (like messages) that need to continue to be networked to clients.
How they use the data does sound like corporate trash though.
Sadly there are a lot of communities that are only on Discord.
And it’s so annoying! Bring back forums!
I would love to if all of the most helpful specialized communities didn’t all use it.
I can’t even get my friends or family to use Matrix/Element, let alone the masses.
Trust me, I want to make the full switch, but if I’m hanging out on my fancy open source server with no one on it, what’s the point?
I will agree that anything akin to Facebook or Xitter isn’t helping achieve anything, since they don’t provide communication that can’t be found elsewhere (social updates, memes, event invitations, etc), but for communities like this specifically, there’s just not many other places to go.
having a hard time finding a good alternative for screen sharing in a voice call. recently deleted discord and me and my buddy moved to matrix (element) but the screen sharing is very laggy and it needs a more aggressive mic noise removal. we speedrun a singleplayer game together and use screen sharing for that. steam can do all this but the delay is unacceptable.
honestly I’m this close to going back to discord 🤏
Im following matrix dev work very closely so im wondering if you have been trying the old call system (jitsi or 1:1 calls) or the new one (element call). the new one should work well for screensharing video but ofcourse you do have some level of compression artifacts. the element-desktop client should have it enabled by default since a few version ago. You can quickly test it out here without an account too https://call.element.io/
For noise removal it just uses the standard webrtc noise filtering stack afaik which does suck, but i have it disabled and do that kind of audio filtering systemwide on my linux machine with easyeffects.
I’m not seeing an option for element call, there’s just p2p for 1:1 calls option which I have enabled. easyeffects mutes my audio completely and I have to timeshift to get it back 😅
Maybe you have to enable something for the video calls in the “Labs” section of the settings but i dont think so. Its just an embedded version of the instance hosted by element.io so it should be functionally the same if you try that one in the browser.
This is how i have it set up
EasyEffects works well for me on debian but on a different distro with different audio setup it might not be such a smooth experience. 🤷
I don’t actually know how good it is but another software that does screen sharing you might try is Jitsi
Matrix sucks
I don’t really know what else to use
for me it wanted one after i added too many friends at once
it some agressive anti spam “ai” that more or less randomly decides if it wants a phone number or not
Which is the reason I don’t have a discord account. I just can’t be bothered.
I get discord mail sometimes telling me I have to log on urgently as accounts get deleted after a few years of inactivity.
There was a server I poked around in once that required members to provide phone number just to join. Seems very unethical considering all the bad things that can happen from identity theft or stalking… it’s not like mods are employees for Discord. They’re just random mofos. Why would I trust a stranger on the Internet of all places?
The server owners can’t see your phone number. Discord allows you to set a minimum verification level for users in your server. The lowest is simply having a verified email on their account. The highest is a verified email, a few minutes old (so no brand new accounts), been in the server for a few minutes, and a verified phone number. It’s just a bot prevention thing, because spammers/scammers are a big issue on large Discord servers. Especially early in Discord’s history, it was a big issue where bots would raid a server and just totally shut it down with spam links. So Discord started allowing server owners to set minimum verification levels before users could interact and send messages.
The server owners cannot see your phone number. It’s just a way to keep bots and assholes out most of the time.
Say the word!
Yikes, hopefully this one stays in beta.
It has been this way for some years.
I set up two accounts last month without phone number. A lot of people seem to forget that the web app and email signup still exists, there is no reason to ever download the app.
Stop using trash service
What’s really annoying as well, is that if you try to remove your phone number from your account, your account will get blocked for “suspicious activity”, after doing the required captchas it will get unlocked but your phone number is still there, trying to remove it again will just lock your account again, how is that legal?
Because legal people get the protection of the law, shiti organics are there to be abused by legal people.
For what it’s worth I literally just removed my phone number from my account after reading your comment and it did it no problem. Haven’t gotten any suspicious account alerts yet but if I get one I’ll come back and update.
I created an account without a phone number. What really anoys me is there focus on IP addresses. They apparently don’t realize IPs rotate.
I mean, if you’re using Discord, then you’re probably not the kind of person to be bothered by this anyway.
I hope Mozilla launches the Firefox Relay phone masking soon…
I got locked out of my old discord account because I didn’t have a phone at the time
