I know this the unpopular opinion at the moment, but what electric sedan is better than a model 3? The rest of the producers have all decided we want to drive crossovers or boxes and simply cannot figure out how to make a frunk.
Ioniq?
what you expect from temupanzers
Yeap. Too late to sell now.
I have one that’s nearly 7 years old, fully paid for and still works well. I hate having to own any car and environmentally, the best car is the one you already have. Getting an equivalent car at a reduced trade-in price would cost 20k and I would do it on principle if I could afford to.
BMW and Mercedes both supported Nazi’s during the holocaust and I believe they should receive the same treatment but it’s been the better part of a century and they’re still here. I’d go so far as to argue that cars are just consumerized war vehicles that a civil society has limited use for given the potential benefits of mass transit.
Oil companies bribed and lobbied against clean, efficient, exciting transit decades ago and were all poorer for it.
BMW and Mercedes both supported Nazi’s during the holocaust and I believe they should receive the same treatment but it’s been the better part of a century and they’re still here
If people knew what the Nazis were planning to do back then, they might have boycotted BMW and Mercedes too, strangling them in the crib. Americans know what Nazis are; they were literally our biggest enemy and our greatest military victory, and the vast majority of Americans oppose Nazis. I think the only hesitation seems to be that people either don’t believe Elon actually is a Nazi, or that they think he’s just “TrOlLiNg ThE LiBs!!!11”.
Getting an equivalent car at a reduced trade-in price would cost 20k and I would do it on principle if I could afford to.
That really sucks, and I don’t think you are a Nazi… but you’re driving a BMW in 1933. You’re not going to get any sympathy from people on the right side of history.
The difference between BMW and Mercedes, and Tesla right now is that BMW and Mercedes are not currently supporting a fascist. Germany went through decades of reform and reconciliation for its fascist choices. America, and particularly Tesla whose CEO is instigating and wholeheartedly supporting the early stages of the current political reshaping, is currently going one inch further into fascism every day.
How is it in any way relevant what German car makers were doing 80+ years ago? Unless you also think all modern-day Germans should be “cancelled”.
Apart from that I agree, the American car lobby has been terrible for public transport development and green energy
Because they and many other modern car companies supported nazi genocide and fascism for money that I don’t think it’s a coincidence we’re seeing the same with Tesla. Time doesn’t change the past.
I agree that public transport could be much better. But there are a lot of people that don’t live in a city and no amount of public transport is going to reach everywhere. There still needs to be vehicles of some type. I wish more rural roads in this country had bike lanes
Unless it’s the same people in charge of the company as it was in 1941 then it doesn’t matter. Everyone knows that many German companies have a terrible past, but they’ve long since taken a clear stance against it. There is literally no correlation between these German car brands and Tesla. It matters what they do today (and possibly the recent past).
If you want to boycott things over the distant past you literally couldn’t use anything.
Tesla deserves this because of Elon’s current actions. If he steps or gets removed and Tesla continues to operate with a different philosophy there should be no issue with them in, say, 15 years.
I disagree on it mattering, and there are plenty of correlations including executives with histories across the auto industry. These companies aren’t as nimble or efficient as their branding suggests - they’ve operated with the same tactics for decades and the holocaust was not that long ago. Id argue the only thing that’s changed is corporate rebranding & propaganda because a new image was profitable, not because they magically became altruistic. Companies that escaped their problematic moments should not have escaped them - the fact that they did is itself problematic. ‘I’m sorry’ is not payment enough for profiteering off of genocide in my opinion. Well aware of how many companies are problematic, I just think we can do better.
Focusing on Elon for his actions right now is a great step and focus area tho!
So, if the Volkswagen Group car brands all dissolved and the people in charge created a new company that’d be just fine? Why would we boycott a company for what happened 80 years ago? We can just build a wall around Germany then.
What exactly is problematic? The past has happened and it cannot be changed; how you deal with it is the only question, and the Germans in particular have dealt with it admirably. It only matters what they do with they’re given. Nothing is static, especially not a company which is just a reflection of their owners and employees.
Would it make you or anyone happier if we drove in Skodas rather than Volkswagens?
Who is buying all these Teslas that Tesla owners are all selling because nobody wants a Tesla?
Nobody which is why the used market on them is crashing.
They are called “people”
spacex and starlink need to be the next to go.
Space X should be nationalized
We did pay for it.
We’re still giving Elon $80 million a day.
im in favor of any company these fuckers were on the board of or were allowed to hold substantial shares of being nationalized as punishment, if we don’t end up with some form of communism or blasted wastelands after all this. The capital class needs to be shown consequences, and if we don’t get guillotines, they need to at least be forced to watch us sautee their balls.
The brand is forever damage. Sell while you can.
I feel bad for Nikola Tesla having his name associated with all this nonsense. Not even death let him escape from rich assholes taking credit for the work of others.
If it makes you feel any better his first name has fared just as poorly in terms of automakers lmao
His legacy can live on with Dr Parkinstein. (Parker Edmonson)
I’m so glad that I lost my job in 2016 and had to cancel my Tesla Model 3 reservation. When I eventually got a better paying job in 2017 I played it safe -assumed I could lose it at any moment- and bought a Chevrolet Spark which has served me well.
White people are selling, Indians are buying. Every Indian neighbor I have owns at least one Tesla
Carvana bought mine at a decent price. I imagine the coming glut will have them refusing to buy Teslas outright. Other enraged Tesla owners should unload theirs asap.
Good on you for having principles. Unfortunately a lot of Tesla owners are limp dicked piss baby champagne socialists who’d rather just put a 5 dollar made in China sticker on their bumper instead of selling it.
Not everyone is the position to sell their car, especially at huge finacial loss. So they buy the stupid sticker to make them selves feel a little better.
Many bought the thing 5+ years ago when Tesla was basically the only electric with a real charging network and in a time before Musk went from eccentric billionaire to an out-of-the-closet Nazi.
Now anyone buying one new today, that’s a different story (Which makes it harder to sell the damn thing).
“huge financial loss”
So why do these people buy these expensive cars they can’t afford in the first place?
Surely they would’ve made a good financial decision and bought a used Toyota at a fraction of the price if their finances weren’t in order?
Well, being financially stupid doesn’t mean you’re also a “limp dicked piss baby champagne socialist.”
It don’t matter how they got the car. They could have saved up for years, have been cutting costs elsewhere in life, or just have a well paying job; buying a car at 40k+ and selling it for 20k, especially if they still have 30k left on the loan is a dumb move even for the financially illiterate.
“buying a car at 40k+ and selling it for 20k, especially if they still have 30k left on the loan is a dumb move even for the financially illiterate.”
Anyone who’s financially literate would recognize how financially illiterate it is buying any car which isn’t a Toyota, Honda etc. Every car depreciates 50% as soon as it leaves the show room. That is fact. Any time you buy, finance, or lease a new car, you are basically throwing away your money. Lease less so.
I know Americans like to buy cars they can’t afford as status symbols, but America has plenty of cheaper reliable cars. If you bought a 40k electric car to flex to your friends how much you love the environment and got a predatory loan to afford it, you are a piss baby champagne socialist.
I’m not sure there going to be able to give those things away.
Seems to me, at this point, this is a bit like owning anything with a swastika on it in 1946.
Please be real.
It really is a website that can be linked to!
So is The Onion.
Nice idea, but what if I want my tesla set on fire instead?
Pour a bucket of water on it
@juergen@feddit.org “Fuck Elon” is becoming the punch buggy of this generation.
Combine a toxic brand with a level of ridiculously poor Quality Control we haven’t seen from a US automaker since the Saturn brand, and you get a price point/distressd asset that PE will be looking at. They’ve already calculated the value of selling Tesla for parts and just waiting for the stock to hit a number to act. Elon is so over leveraged, there will be nothing he can do to stop it.
What happens if Tesla falls? America’s charging station infrastructure is owned by Tesla. Looks like the whole EV push has been a complete failure. What about the environment and global warming, seems like people really don’t care about any of that in comparison to settling political grievances. It is what it is.
@AidsKitty@lemmy.world
@juergen@feddit.org Are you a Tesla owner who only charges at Telsa charging stations? Tesla doesn’t even own the majority of charging stations in the US. They only recently started allowing non-Teslas to use their chargers. Where did you think all the other EVs were charging?
Tesla will be taken over by PE who will sell off the charging network. Once rebranded as ChargePoint or Electrify America, they will will no lobger be targeted by vandalism and arson. The cost of removing the toxic Tesla brand isn’t trivial, but the locations and infrastructure have value. They won’t just be turned off when there is profit to made.
https://evadoption.com/ev-charging-stations-statistics/us-charging-network-rankings/
That’s the American way of doing things. Wild deregulation and dependency on billionaires, because freedom or some excuse.
In Europe, the EU mandated years ago CCS2 for all cars, tesla included, so the whole continent’s (UK, CH, etc included) infrastructure is compatible with every car, just like gas stations. Tesla operates like 20% of the infrastructure so if they disappear it will be a minor nuisance, and only for the time other operators gobble up the locations. If power and permits are already in place, it’s a question of a few weeks to install the transformers and charging points.
There is no point in worrying about the environment without first fighting against facism.
Im a little unclear on your charge of fascism here. Could you list examples of the fascist events or occurances you have suffered?
Ah yes the “could you please list specific ways you’ve been harmed” that’s definitely asked in good faith to further a productive discussion.
Sealion.
I’ve asked multiple people and never once has anyone given an example, or an experience, but this is the first time i was called a sealion.
Women are no longer able to get adequate medical care and my trans friends can no longer be their true selves. The family that runs the grocery store down the street is scared of anybody in a blue uniform. You’re either willfully malicious or so uninformed that your opinion on it is useless.
That you pretend to care and to be objective is a joke. We can all see exactly what you are.
Trans people can live however they choose to and people have been fighting over abortion since the 1970s. I dont understand how these qualify as examples of fascism? I understand you do not agree with the abortion ruling but how does it support your claim of living under a fascist government?
If you want to be technical, US is a proto-fascist state (i.e. there is still a lot of room for things to get worse).
whos buying used teslas? its like asking for trouble consider thier defectiveness.
Speaking from personal experience, most likely immigrants who don’t know much about us politics and still watch news and shows from their home country or in their own language.
Growing up, even though I was born in the USA, I’d only listen to what my parents heard (until I was a teen), watched what they watched (Univision, etc), are mostly Salvadorian food at home.
