• nectar45@lemmy.zip
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    15 days ago

    To be fair “centrist” in the USA is “extremely rightwing” everywhere else, the USA is super consumed by rightwing retoric

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    14 days ago

    It’s important to consider all points. It’s also important to analyze them and throw out the ones that are wrong, whether they’re incorrect or inhumane. Blindly accepting all opinions as equally valid is stupid.

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    14 days ago

    Bullshit

    I’m a centrist

    The Israeli government and Hamas leadership should both be put in front of a wall and shot

    Trump is a lying narcissistic sack of shit, just like Elmo Musk

    None of that should be on any political side, those are obviously human choices

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      14 days ago

      Oh my. An actual centrist and not a far-right nutjob claiming it to seem intellectually superior. What a sight for sore eyes

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      14 days ago

      But the right think that Trump is wonderful. At least the right in the US do, I think the right in every other country thinks he’s a dork who’s drawing too much attention to himself, and them by extension.

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    Turning and turning in the widening gyre   
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere   
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst   
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    
    - W.B. Yeats, The Second Coming (1919)
    
  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee
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    yeah this really is what centrism looks like. although I gotta say, a lot of people are so reactive towards this line of thinking that they identify anyone questioning their beliefs as “centrists”. no, not wanting russia to control the world does not make me a centrist. just like criticizing the democrats does not make me a centrist.

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      Honestly democrats are a little too naive and annoying to say I fully align with them but republicans are straight up dangerous in belief and practice, so while I still criticize democrats I wouldn’t agree with republicans

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    As a rationalist I think any idea should be evaluated for at least longer than it takes to react to a meme. Ideas should be accepted or rejected on their own merits or lack thereof, and not because you notice a similarity with something clearly heroic or terrible and you want to quickly decide which way to mentally swipe so you can scroll on to the next thing in your feed. People do too much of that kind of superficial thinking. [And I’m not defending any particular political point here, I’m talking about rationality vs superficiality.]

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    God I hate the current political discourse. You have extremists vs extremists, and now both sides are vilifying everyone that doesn’t blindly adhere to all their positions.

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      There is no extremist left in the american political discourse. Theres hardly even any left at all. And yes you really are the villain if you dont want women and minority groups to be equal with cishet white men or for israel to stop genociding.

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        Found the source of the problem.

        No two humans are going to agree on every point. If you vilify everyone that differs from you in the slightest, you are a detriment to your own cause.

        But of course, no one actually wants to fix everything. They want to just make snarky comments online to feel superior.

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          If you vilify everyone that differs from you in the slightest, you are a detriment to your own cause.

          “In the slightest” being centrist code for “who counts as a human being” and “does bombing hospitals and starving children count as genocide”

          Nobody is vilifying someone because they have different opinions on the importance of reading Shakespeare in high-school, or if they think, big centralised public libraries are a better option to lots of smaller public libraries.

          This is just the quintessential enlightened centrist argument, reducing down serious issues about basic fundamental morals into just “disagreement”

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            Nobody is vilifying someone because they have different opinions on the importance of reading Shakespeare in high-school, or if they think, big centralised public libraries are a better option to lots of smaller public libraries.

            No, but they are dumping people into that category in their mind, and then making all kinds of assumptions and conclusions about that person based off the one false assumption. And then because it’s the internet, the name calling starts and all constructive conversation ends.

            Just look at this thread. I started it with “the current American political discourse sucks” and no-one commenting was able to take that statement at face value. Everyone replied with assumptions on what my stance was on issues I didn’t mention. It’s that exact reflex that I have a problem with. Essentially, I agree with the message, but I disagree with the delivery method.

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          Whatever you say Herr Niemöller. Keep your false equivalences, ignore the US now has literal concentration camps, and calmly wait until they come for you.

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            I never made any equivalences, stated any of my political opinions, or said anything other the fact that the current US political discourse sucks.

            And things are only going to get worse because people like you would rather make up shit to get offended by, instead of doing anything that might get the majority on your side.

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              Making things up? Have you read the news? People have been arrested by plainclothes thugs and deported with no due process. There was a picture earlier of the holding bunks of the victims of these extrajudiciary ICE raids next to literal concentration camps. They are being sent, irreversably, to work camps in other countries that are known to torture and kill their prisoners, especially foreigners. You are ignorant to the point of danger.

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          If thinking I am a human being with full and equal rights to every other human being and that anyone who disagrees can go fuck themselves makes me an extremist then that’s a reflection of the society I live in, not me.

          And yeah, the people who ‘don’t agree with me on every point’ are the people trying to criminalize my existence. How many states is it illegal for you to piss in a public restroom? How many states are trying to criminalize your healthcare? Have you had the government confiscate or alter your passport? Did you even know this shit is happening?

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          14 days ago

          If you villify everyone that differs from you in the slightest, you are a detriment to your own cause

          Jokes on you! I villify everyone!!

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          Exactly. 99% of the time attacks against centrists are just smug nerds who believe their side of extremism is better than the other sides.

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      14 days ago

      What positions of the two provided (being against facism, and protecting women) don’t you “blindly” adhere to?

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        And there’s the idiotic extrapolation I’m referring to. I’m talking about the discourse in general, not the specifics.