• 5too@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    there should be a distinction between offensive and defensive wars.

    …that difference is entirely which side of the battle line you’re on…

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      3 days ago

      yeah, that’s why I sidestepped that one. It’s an easy pathway into “no, you!”

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        2 days ago

        Who was the aggressor: Germany or Poland? Israel or Iran? Iraq or the US?

        Are you saying that there is no such thing as a right or wrong, good or bad side to a violent conflict?

        If so, prove it.

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            2 days ago

            No, I’m saying that it’s only “no you!” for bad faith actors. I’d like to think that isnt who we’re dealing with in this site.

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              2 days ago

              ah. In that case, we can all acknowledge that communism and capitalism have both lead to significant wars and violent non-war actions on the populace.

              The Korean war, The invasion of Hungary, the invasion of Czechoslovakia, sino/soviet border conflict, Chinese invasion of Vietnam…

              …but let’s not pretend that war is the end-all be-all of government criminality. We can look at democide, or just atrocious neglect that had occurred quite a few times in communism, add well as abuse of the populace.

              …now, I’m not claiming capitalism is good. But Communism isn’t some panacea that prevents tensions and violence.

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      2 days ago

      Who was the aggressor: Germany or Poland? Israel or Iran? Iraq or the US?

      Are you saying that there is no such thing as a right or wrong, good or bad side to a violent conflict?

      If so, prove it.