Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @goat@sh.itjust.works
For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.
More context:
It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment
a note on the uyghurs (click to show
For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there’s a lack of evidence that it’s a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).
Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262
He mentions this:
We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.
Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I’ll get to that later.
After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:
He said that it’s different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the “Tank Man” picture to !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819
He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.
He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:
The relevant ones here are:
- zedbite@lemmy.world,
- Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe,
- chirichiri@sh.itjust.works.
If you look through other comments, they downvoted me and other users near-systemically, while upvoting comments made by goat.
For example, take a look at their (respective) lemvotes profile pages: https://lemvotes.org/user/zedbite@lemmy.world https://lemvotes.org/user/Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe https://lemvotes.org/user/chirichiri@sh.itjust.works
They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.
After a bit more arguing (I’m not posting the specific comments because it’s tedious, and they’re easy to see by scrolling through goat’s profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.
note on the post that comment was in reply to
I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what’s happening to the Uyghurs, they’re saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:
Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn’t give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They’re just doin’ the usual bad faith takes.
Feel free to quote me lol
Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile:
https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615
Found those WMDs in Iraq yet? How about those Hamas oven babies?
Do you think that because I believe the reporting about the genocide in China that I don’t also know Israel is and has been committing genocide on the Palestinian people for decades?
Yall tankies are fucking wild.
So no?
Correct, I never believed there were weapons of mass destruction and I also never doubted the genocide in Palestine. I also don’t doubt the genocide of the Uyghur people.
What are you getting at? Do you need to repair your treads?
Oh, so you only very selectively believe the “free press” then. Sure they lied about WMDs in Iraq, they lied about rape squads in Libya, they lied about beheaded babies in Palestine, but they’re are definitely telling the truth about China!
Hey, given that all the major primary sources for the Uyghur genocide claim also support Israel and deny that there’s a genocide in Gaza, why don’t you trust them there too? If you believe them when they say there’s a genocide in China, why don’t you believe them when they say there isn’t one in Gaza?
I was alive during 9/11 and the “wmds” in Iraq and not all of the world’s free press agreed.
Idk if you think I’m saying the corporate owned “news” outlets are free press but you’re assuming you know what I believe.
Why are you so vehemently defending China and giving them the benefit of the doubt here?
Al Jazeera, a marked “not western press outlet” has even called it out.
You might not be able to comprehend this but I am capable of free thought AND making my own educated decisions based on a multitude of input, and just because the “free press you currently hate says the thing you don’t like” doesn’t make them wrong (nor does it make them right).
Don’t toss your turret too high my guy.
Lol, there were more “free press” outlets saying that there were WMDs in Iraq then then there are ones saying there’s a genocide in China now.
No, you’re saying that, because that’s the only way you could come to the conclusion that “the free press” claim there’s a genocide in China
Damn, great standard of evidence there. Why are you so vehemently defending Sadam Hussain and giving him the benefit of the doubt? Why are you so vehemently defending Hamas and giving them the benefit of the doubt?
Al Jazeera has provided primary evidence and declared that there’s a genocide in China? Or have they just reported that Adrian Zenz and Australian Strategic Policy Institute have?
Such as…?
I’m just kidding, I know you just mean “based on vibes”. Why do you trust a source when they say there’s a genocide in China but reject them when they say there isn’t in Gaza? Pure vibes.
And if not, feel free to actually answer the question.
Really? Then why do you unquestioningly insist that they’re right?
Just as I do not believe news outlets kowtowing the line that there is no genocide in Gaza I do not believe the propaganda that claims what China is doing isn’t one.
My ability to parse news and form my own opinions is my own and it’s based on my worldview, just as yours seems to be based on yours (though so many of you I’d wager it’s more incentive based belief).
I have never defended Saddam Hussein, I bet he did have them but I’m positive the administrations lied about them. I don’t doubt what’s happening in Gaza and never have, it’s been happening my entire life, and by that same token I tend to err on the side of the people who are oppressed rather than those who would be doing the oppressing.
It’s insanity that you want to try to box me into having a viewpoint I don’t have just because I believe something you’re likely paid to argue against.
I disagree with you and I disagree with your rhetoric and the way your mental gymnastics jump around and I don’t think it’s a good use of my time playing on your obstacle course.
If you’d like to feel like you’ve won, go for it.
So you just believe any accusation of genocide is defacto true and anything contradicting it is false.
So you believe there’s a white genocide in South Africa.
Yup, definitely vibes. That’s why I keep asking you how you parse news and you can only keep falling back on “I just do”
Not even one sentence later:
By the same standard you used to say I “defend China” you absolutely, indisputably defended Saddam. Stop being a hypocritical little worm
Why are you so vehemently defending Hamas and giving them the benefit of the doubt?
Oh fuck off, you McCarthyist little worm. You have to be the most arrogant piece of shit to assume that anyone who disagrees with you he paid to do so. Have some fucking humility.
Ie, you have no argument and you know it, but you’re too dishonest to admit it.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
-Satre
You’re not wrong, @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml is honestly my favorite ragebait troll. Its hard to say if they are just here to ruin leftist discourse or really get caught up in the passion of looking out for the little guys. You can tell they are a troll because they will never talk about what they believe or what should/could be done. On one hand its fine, we can’t be expected to have answers for everything, but to just not engage with anyone outside of hostility? Even when they are agreeing with you on like 95% of everything? Lemmy as a whole is pretty lefty, but its common for them to pretend otherwise (theme in
.ml). Im fairly active on lemmy and bump into them every now and them, you might recognize them and a few other prolific posters/commenters.