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  • If we aren’t accountable for our sin, then Jesus would have never had to die for us. God could have just had Satan pay the price instead.

    I have thought about the odin argument, but I find all other religions and belief systems less compelling than Christianity, which is why I chose to become a Christian.

    Runic writing is not the ability to intentionally commit evil. So that story falls apart. And if God refuses us to gain knowledge, He would have never given us the choice on whether or not to commit evil.

    We don’t harm people because we have a moral compass. For example, the Nazis had to desensitise people to violence in order to have them commit atrocities. So we all have fundamental morality. I believe that everyone has one because that is our knowledge of good and evil. Because God exists, right and wrong exist, and we know the difference. So it doesn’t matter what religion (or lack of) you follow, that knowledge is there. In the same way, people who deny climate change are still affected by it- because believing in something or not believing doesn’t make it more or less real. So believing in God or not doesn’t make God, and the difference of good and evil any less real. So it makes perfect sense why plenty of Atheists are good, moral people.

    As for heaven and hell, good works doesn’t get you into heaven. There are people who are far better people than me who are in hell, because they trusted in their works. Accepting God’s perfect sacrifice does.


  • The original discussion wasn’t about accountability - the original discussion was you were trying to claim Satan was some form of cool rebel, essentially Hazbin Hotel level theology. And I pointed out that rebelling against God isn’t a good thing. Trying to justify your wrong by blaming satan doesn’t justify it- because we choose to follow Satan in rebelling against God. Sin is NEVER justified. It’s what nailed Jesus to the cross.

    Its this insulting and self excusing bullshit that makes so many athists consider Christianity and Christians fucking evil.

    And I’d say those atheists are bigoted.


  • So is David Cross proposing that the original texts were translated into the Vulgate, then Geneva Bible to KJV, then KJV was translated into the NASB which was then translated into the NIV and then ESV… Or something?

    The Bible we have today, let’s say the ESV, is translated from the original texts. Meaning any changes made by popes or King James or whatever are gone (you actually can see this as some parts are in the KJV, like the note in 1 John 5:7-8 which was not part of the original text, or the Lord’s Prayer doxology in Matthew 6:13) and they are translated from the earliest texts. They don’t lie to you either about the parts we cannot be completely sure of such as John 8:1-11 or the ending to Mark’s Gospel. So what David Cross is actually saying here is irrelevant - if I were to take a text and badly translated it, then someone comes along and fixes my translation by correctly retranslating from the original text, their translation wouldn’t be bad simply because mine exists - which is what you would be arguing for with your logic.

    Also if we left out books because we didn’t like what they said, we would have left out the Sermon on the Mount and the parts telling you not to have multiple wives.


  • So you don’t believe in evil… So eugenics and genocide is alright then? So is anarcho capitalism? These are all part of survival of the fittest which is the atheist system for how the world is run, so therefore they shouldn’t be evil in atheist’s eyes.

    Of course we don’t get to blame someone else for our actions. We choose to participate in the rebellion started by Satan. The original point was that Satan isn’t some brave revolutionary standing up to a dictator- Satan is the root of all evil, who started the rebellion against God that we choose to participate in. We do have responsibility for our actions- as God judges us instead of the atheist version where “it doesn’t matter what you do, just enjoy life as it doesn’t matter anyway”

    The canon is formed by the books Jesus mentioned and referenced from and would have used, and the letters and writings of the apostles- People who were around at the time of Jesus. Some of them met Him personally.


  • Source on the St Jerome thing? St Jerome translated the Bible into Latin. And I don’t know how to help you since you clearly don’t know the difference between translating and writing an entirely new book.

    No idea what you are on about the 6k year thing and homosapiens. The Bible doesn’t talk about when homosapiens came about, just that God created them.

    Again, questioning God on what issue exactly? What good has ever come out of questioning God? You’re trying to both have your cake and eat it here. God allows us to question Him, but obviously we will get the deserved consequence for when we do. Of course God didn’t want us to question Him, because nothing good has ever come out of questioning God. And we do have the ability to learn as well. God gave us it. That’s why so many scientists throughout history were Christians and theologians as well. We wanted to see how God’s creation works.

    Again, once again, you want to have free will but also don’t want evil to exist. Free will without the ability to rebel against God isn’t free will.











  • I have. And the Bible canon was decided upon long before 400ad. And it wasn’t old “fables” either. They were rather contemporary accounts of Jesus as well as letters between His followers.

    I was baptised less than a year ago. My decision to be a Christian is to do with research that I have already done. Atheist arguments are generally based on alternative theories and argument from silence. Reminds me of the classic argument “The Bible is wrong as there is no evidence of Pontius Pilate existing” until they found a first century tablet with his name on it. Or the “Christianity is wrong as Science says the universe always existed” until they discovered that there actually was a beginning.


  • I don’t know what library you’re talking about because it doesn’t match the description of the Bible.

    In the book of Job, you see Satan casting down evil on Job and cursing him. Genesis shows Satan misleading Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Revelation shows Satan as the ultimate source of evil. Isaiah talks about how far Satan has fallen. Jesus - who is God Himself - talks about Satan being a father of lies and Satan even tempts Jesus in the wilderness. Yes, humans do also carry a fault of following Satan and his demons in the rebellion against God, but your idea of rebelling against God is seen as “hip” and “cool”, but rebelling against God is the bringer of genocide, wars, greed, famine and destruction. And then when God was incarnate on this earth as a Man, He preached love, kindness, morality and condemned evil. Yet we nailed Him to a cross, killing Him in one of the most horrific and humiliating ways possible. Yet on that cross He bore the punishment for our sins and offers us forgiveness. Not through our own doing or good works, but through His doing. He lived the life we should have lived and died the death that we deserved. That’s who God truly is.