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  • Glide@lemmy.catoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldRacism restaurant
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    I think there’s a huge difference between an intentional allegory used as an attack on a marginalized group, and a word being used to durogatorily refer to a non-living, non-feeling group of machines which are actively damaging the world.

    yea, i guess someone saying “screws will not replace us” or “13% of the code, 50% of the bugs” (both real things i’ve seen people say)

    I would agree that these things are not okay, becuase they’re imitating insults that literally only exist to put forward racist ideology, and I’d tell anyone who used them around me as much.

    cause it’s the same shit with clanker and other assorted nonsense, you’re making racist jokes but swapping racialized people for an acceptable target. but guess what, it’s still racism! you’re still doing a racist joke!

    So, how about “chud” then, intended to refer to right-wing-minded hate mongers? Or, here’s a better one, how about when we call right-wing extremists nazis as a durogatory insult? I mean they’re certainly not all members of the third reich. We’re using the term to equate them to something they strictly aren’t, even if they share more ideology than is okay. We’re still using words to categorize groups of people, and using them in intentionally insulting ways. Such durogatory terms are a part of our natural language. They’re not nice, sure, but I don’t want to be nice to people who are actively calling for violence against marginalized groups. But most importantly, we don’t think of these words as slurs. Slurs are durogatory terms that target marginalized groups, unlike “chud,” “nazi,” or yes, “clanker.”

    I think there’s far too much nuance here to make blanket insinuations like “durogatory terms used to refer to things we don’t like are stand-ins for racist remarks.” But considering some of the other connections you’ve seen people make, I can certainly understand the trepidation.


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    Slurs target a marginalized group. “Clanker” does not target a marginalized group, because generative AI is not part of a marginalized group. It is not even alive, therefore it is not a slur in the sense you’re equating it to.

    Please don’t call other people “clueless” if you don’t understand the things you’re getting worked up over. Equating non-thinking computer processing models to oppressed minorities is doing far more damage than anyone using the term “clanker,” ironically or otherwise.




  • You’re saying Marx while advocating for a Stalin-style dictatorship. Any proletariat uprising that depends on a separate class to perform in any position of dictatorship is a fascist - as was the case with Russia - or capitalist - as in China - regime in disguise.

    I have never claimed to support any form of liberalism. That was a stance you imposed on me when I attacked your politics.

    But, I digress, you kept it civil, I’ll take the opportunity to flip my attitude and do the same. While I still do not respect your politics, everyone deserves proper care, and everyone deserves to rest. I genuinely do hope you heal well.




  • Of course I’m angry. Tankies defending a state-capitalist autocracy pisses me off, as it should any rational, progressive human being. The “Internet tough-guy calling people angry” schtick doesn’t dissuade china’s aggression to the sovereign nation of Taiwan, un-genocide any Ugyhur lives, or free China’s “totally not homeless” population out of the concentration camps the state uses to hold up their economy. My anger is well directed, and your attempt to belittle that isn’t the “own” that you and your fascist ilk seem to believe it is.

    Fuck the States. This thread isn’t about them, their history of racism, or their rapid descent into fascism. This thread is about China disappearing a dissenter for “reeducation,” and this conversation is about how you’re a fresh account, happy to dismiss any criticism of your glorious fascist state as “American propaganda” with no logic other than “they said stuff I don’t like so it must be an American psyop.” No amount of whataboutism will change that you’re a dishonest actor, openly mocking one imperialist nation, while shilling for another.






  • America has, since inception, been absolutely fine with violence, often celebrating it, and completely disgusted with sexuality. It’s perhaps the single most backwards thing about North American culture, imo.

    But what do you expect out of a society whose entire history is “we wanted to go somewhere else, so we came to this place and killed the natives that got in our way.”