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  • You understand what you’re saying right.

    This was a big media press conference, and the presenter. The presenter, was Dr. Chen Kugel. This was a slide on his own presentation. Do you understand?

    Boom:

    https://youtu.be/SoTItPHa6mw?si=zPYvRhDoj1D-nwSB

    Video of the actual press conference.

    Please relent, it’s giving me a headache.

    He does address all the scans, the metal wire in the photo, right there, direct quotes from him too I should have led with this. Around minute 6 is when the images posted come up.

    Please watch the video, please please I feel like I’m going insane. I should have led with it but I didn’t know there was video of the whole press conference.


  • Well look.

    If this were any other country in Europe or the US, no one would be questioning the doctors, the first responders, and news outlets who report their claims. Because ultimately, that’s what’s going on here.

    If you acknowledge that this is an unconventional response to such overwhelming proof, I will reserve my pure bewilderment.

    And if you’re still questioning the Metal wire, yes, it’s in the Media Line report. Check the scanned image. It’s literally right there, bottom right of the scan you can see the metal loop, and follow it around the bodies.

    Do you want the Telegram archive? I have access to 2. One that shows live killings, as corroborated by the BBC, NYT, who were shown the same footage at a screening in Israel, and one that shows images and CCTV uploaded by first responders.


  • Actually, it’s not embellished at all, in fact, if you’ve seen the archives, most reports under-sell the atrocities. You have to wonder why both The Media Line and The Guardian were at the same press conference, yet The Media Line chose to show the picture with the metal wire.

    It’s because The Media Line clearly has an agenda to garner an emotional response from its audience?

    That can certainly be true.

    Another point of view is that sources like The Guardian are irresponsible for not showing the images when many people are accusing Israel of embellishment.

    Yes there is a picture and there is a metal wire there and there are more, multitudes more.

    There are trucks filled with burnt bodies, there’s images of a burnt child running and falling. There’s videos of smoke still rising from the bodies as first responders reach the scenes.

    But you know, if you want more, here you go.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67165128

    https://www.haaretz.com/0000018b-3313-dff1-a5eb-ffffee6f0000

    Now you have BBC who corroborates the metal wire, and Haaretz that describes the beheaded babies as accurate, both well known and trusted sources.

    If you actually want the archive with the first responder telegram that corroborates all this too I can PM it also.







  • Let it be noted that this is an opinion article.

    Editorials and Opinion pieces do contribute to social discourse regarding news, and may be correct, but unlike their normal news, they can say whatever they want about the news from the authors they hire.

    Opinion pieces allow news sources to use sensationalist and inflammatory articles to drive engagement without harming their credibility, because of that giant OPINION label.

    NYT and WSJ’s editorials and opinion pieces tend to be quite left and quite right leaning respectfully, to an almost satirical level. In my opinion, the WSJ’s comment section under its editorials are much worse.

    I’m not disparaging the article in any way, just saying for those that may not already know.






  • I would like to explain some more context in the comments before people say things like “I’m denying war crimes”

    This was reported a day ago, but open source intelligence had confirmed these reports 8 hours after the attack. All which has been covered in this article, even the Al Jazeera stream that caught the whole thing on camera. (Interestingly, Al Jazeera still reported that it was still caused by Israel I believe based on the same evidence.)

    AP was one of the first to report the Gaza Health Ministry said, with the article titled, “Israel strikes hospital, killing 500.” Over the next hours, they edited the article title 3 times, and had to emphasize that it was just a statement by the Gaza Health Ministry.

    By then, it had been reported across the media landscape as an Israeli airstrike. Now, considering the past actions of Israel, like that reporter they shot a year or so ago, it’s quite easy to assume that Israel bombed it and tried to cover it up. But, news organizations are not supposed to assume. Instead, we learned that the Gaza Health Ministry, an organization controlled by Hamas, should be taken with a large grain of salt.

    Casualties turn out to be far less than 500, more like 50-100. I am in no way minimizing the loss of life. But from a journalistic standpoint, this is a 90% error, a total disaster in reporting.

    The NYTimes put out this Editorial reflecting on the error of the Gaza Hospital, comparing it to the error in the 2002 Jenin massacre.

    The rush to judgment on Tuesday night will continue to haunt us all.

    I’m inclined to agree, especially upon being banned from worldnews on the lemmy.ml instance for “denying war crimes and genocide” by posting this article FROM THE NYTIMES which was reported about a day after the incident.

    I’m not trying to report “Pro-Israel” Propoganda, but this should make everyone take a seat back and be very careful when reading news. This conflict is extremely divisive and it’s challenging the status quo in journalism and global politics.

    Additionally, news media can get it wrong, but credibility can be gained just as it can be lost, so they should be given a second chance, especially if they admit it, like the AP or the NYTimes did.



  • Al Jazeera had been live streaming and live reporting the entire thing, and there are multiple angles and phone videos from them and other sources that show the entire incident, from the rocket barrage, to the booster failure, to the hospital explosion.

    The Associated Press has the complete analysis to your question, including the videos I mentioned, posted yesterday.

    Alot of the videos in there were confirmed 8 hours after the incident, this is the first mainstream media outlet that put it all together.

    The AP was one of the first to report what the Gaza Health Ministry said, “Israel strikes hospital, killing 500”, then edited their article 3 times in 1 hour, with new titles and recharacterizing the report as “they said” to try and cover the increasing uncertainty of the situation. Along with the casualty number dropping. Now some might say “But any death at all is bad, 50 or 500!”. That’s true, it’s still really tragic, but it’s also a 90% error, which is a disaster for journalism.

    The article covers the JDAM theories, the Israel warned them, the Hamas announcing their launching rockets a little after the incident. All things that would make the situation more murky.

    I admit I do sound like I’m defending Israel with this. This particular event is a flashpoint for me personally since I’m heavily invested in the state of journalism in an age where the flood of information can overwhelm news and lead to innaccuracies.

    The rocket turning around video is a different video from last year.

    Unfortunately I got banned from World News on lemmy.ml because posting this was “War Crime Denial” apparently.