The constitutional amendment that outlawed slavery in the US provided one exception: anyone convicted of a crime.

This was a tool of Jim Crow to maintain a sizeable black slave labor force via disproportionate criminalization of black people and poverty (newly-freed previous slaves were very poor, often illiterate). It was and is a tool of modern racialized hyper-exploited labor via the prison system. And it is likely a tool that US authorities are keeping in their back pocket for the mass criminalization of the homeless.

Please engage in good faith

Please try to engage in good faith.

This is a great example of the hyperfocus on irrelevant details that plagues these comments. It was intentional, but even if it wasn’t, so what? “Your argument has a typo, therefore you’re dunked!”?

How was saying “dialect” a doge reference? What?

Anyways I told you exactly why it was relevant in the second sentence you quoted. Do you not see the contradiction between being condescending about a topic without being able to refer to its concepts by name? It isn’t even a spelling error, it is a different word entirely.

The issue is that the comment is pablum. It doesn’t actual say anything, it’s not informative. It’s hoping you’ll infer something yourself and then waste time assuming what they meant. As

I would say its meaning is obvious and you’re being obtuse.

As mentioned in a previous comment, I realize that one of the things it’s trying to get you to infer is that decadent western media is bad or whatever

Yes, I am aware of and criticized this misapprehension.

Arguing that there’s only one thing it’s trying to communicate is a great example of the black and white thinking that plagues tankies.

It’s a meme with one point and you are repeatedly announcing that you don’t get that one lightting would prefer to substitute in the things you want to think about instead.

“You’re meant to ask why” is so embarrassingly vapid that I’m surprised you’re defending it.

How is it vapid? It feels like you just have a grab-bag of negative words that you’re applying willy-nilly rather than addressing what I said. You have skipped over the vast majority of what I said, by the way.

Of course people will focus on big issues like “let’s try to make sure this country continues to exist” over “let’s try to help this country improve itself”.

You are being so vague that I have to guess you are still trying to discuss the meme and that you are contrasting Ukrainians fighting Russia with Ukraine having a Nazi problem. Let me know how accurate this guess is and I will be able to respond.

There will hopefully be time for more of that later after Putin’s invasion fails. I mean come on, this is pretty basic stuff. Do you think I’d be arguing in good faith if I said “Yeah, what’s happening in Palestine is bad, but have you seen their LGBTQ record”? It’s also again, not saying something, it’s JAQing off.

The people that try to pinkwash Israel’s genocide do so in order to justify genocide. They want to create deserving victims so that you do not materially oppose their genocide and instead support it by trying to get people to vote for genocide supporters and villify the people taking action in solidarity.

Ukraine having a Nazi problem is not used by people at Hexbear to say that Ukrainians deserve to die. But it is directly relevant to the civil war since Euromsidan, as Nazis have been the dedicated military cadres terrorizing the people of Donbas and they have absurdly high profiles, likely being behind several decisions including the ethnic cleansing campaigns, the celebration if Bandera, increased anti-labor and antisemitic attacks. It is not, “Ukrainians are bad and deserving because some are Nazis”. It is, “the Nazis sure do call a lot of shots and do Nazi things in Ukraine and you shouldn’t justify the Azov Brigade”.

I was told there’d be informative comments with sources. There were not.

This is simply false. The post with the image you reposted cites 9 mainstream sources alone.

Can we agree to a baseline of, “not saying false things in purpose”? I always assume this to be the default, but unfortunately you are behaving poorly towards me and others.

I elided some of the comment that makes it more clear:

I see what happened. Your “poor Putin” comment refers to the quote that followed it rather than the previous, as implied.

This is imperialist sympathizing, and the OP should feel ashamed. “Putin just had to invade Ukraine because of those other meanie imperialists that didn’t want him in their club!”

If there is something for OP to feel bad about there, it is being too cavalier using Great Man Theory logic despite knowing better. But their comment is overall accurate if you understand it as the Russian capitalist ruling class (of which Putin is a member). They did attempt to become part of the global imperialist order alongside Europe, the US, et al and were instead excluded and pushed towards third world status.

If you think communists are sympathetic to capitalists trying to get a bigger piece of the pie, you are very confused. Understanding how capitalists fight each other and put us all through the meat grinder in the process is an important part of being communist, however.

Also “crypto fascists who run NATO will never forgive the Slavic peoples for destroying the third reich” is just straight facepalm material.

NATO was literally originally staffed by Nazis and used them to continue a maximum pressure anticommunist campaign immediately after the Nazis had attempted with varying degrees of success to depopulate the countries to its east of Jewish people, slavs, gay people, Roma, and communists. That legacy has survived, with NATO serving primarily as an offensive weapon against designated enemies of the imperialist bloc. For example, turning Libya from the highest HDI country in Africa into a country controlled by warlords with open air slave markets. The Western opposition to Nazis was, historically, that they turned West and invaded through France and bombed England rather than staying focused on the shared enemy to the east. They were happy to capitulate and support Nazus right up until the push West.

So as a shorthand quip I would say it is pretty accurate.

None of my answers were random, they were direct responses to what you said, complete with quotes so that you can follow the logic.

Let me know when you are ready to engage with what I’ve said.

Please address what I actually say rather than namecalling and making things up.

Maybe because you didn’t observe it happening.

I did, actually. I made some of the John Brown posts lol.

Reddit admins were busy as hell cleaning the place up. All kinds of rightwing subs like some of the incel gathering spots. Some for straight up Nazis like frenworld or whatever it was where they were using honk honk as code for heil Hitler. When the admins made site changes due to complaints about right wing subs, Chapo made the list because they engaged in similar activities with the main complaint being brigading other subs.

Brigading is not an activity similar to supporting incels or Nazis.

I remember the subreddit mods sharing their attempts to communicate with admins on this, offering to make whatever changes would be needed, and getting stonewalled. The subreddit itself adopted a no-brigading policy and included it with an pinned automod comment on every post.

But this is neither here nor there because the ban announcement said nothing about brigading. Instead, they said it was about content violating their new anti-hate policy and a vague statement about mods not “reining” in users. Prior communications and the timeline suggested the only content violations were anti-slavery posts.

Their mods refused to change to meet the new rules.

How so?

The admins eventually removed some of the mods.

Which ones and why?

They still refused to change afterward

Such as?

The reality is that most of this was actually opaque.

Please engage with what I said rather than leveling personal attacks.

I think I handled very well.

One user asked you to provide any source material since 2022. As an answer, you provided (seemingly) 3 links, none of which were source material for the claim since 2022.

When this was pointed out, rather than engage with these failures, you just posted 5 links.

A different user replied to you to point out that all of the sourcing in those articles goes back to a particularly absurd fraud named Adrian Zenz. I’ll add that the sourcing is also pre-2022, but the user responding to you wrote several paragraphs critical of Zenz and why you should be skeptical. You did not respond to this person at all despite replying to others later.

The user from before responded by immediately pointing out that your links, yet again, did not include sourcing since 2022. They then went through each link to explained how this was the case.

Your response to this: “I did learn something. You have a movable goal post. On that note, I’m out. Peace be with you”. That’s it. That’s all you wrote.

What I just described is you displaying a series of bad faith behaviors. And then you came over here to complain Lmao.

Lol your copy pasted “answer”

Copy pasted? From where?

sounded like Donald Trump tried to wriggle out of a tough question.

How so? I’m starting to think you’ve never heard Trump speak.

You showed that you don’t accept the Tianmen square massacre

It is historical consensus that there was no massacre at Tiananmen Square and it is revisionist to suggest otherwise, so yes. I stated this very directly.

nor the Uyghur massacr

“the Uyghur massacre”, as a term, isn’t a thing. Nobody claims there is something called “The Uyghur Massacre” except you, just now. I don’t want to guess what you’re trying to communicate.

What’s next, denying the holocaust?

Exactly the opposite. The absurdities behind labeling China’s treatment of Uyghurs a genocide, which is the thing I’m actually talking about, is so careless that it has the effect of undermining the gravity and crime of actual genocides, including the Holocaust. Have you looked into the topics and groups I mentioned?

What did I say that was inaccurate?

There actually isn’t any such logic presented for the decision. Mostly just allusions to celebrating violence, the only examples of which were the anti-slavery posts I referenced.

The majority of responses are of this ilk

Right so some sarcastic little jokes. The kind of thing all over Lemmy.

It is sourced, I’ll give you that. It doesn’t try to actually make any argument though, it’s just hoping you’ll see the headlines that think “ukraine == nazis”, without stating that outright. It’s oddly similar to Young Earth Creationists.

The obvious meaning of that picture is to criticize the about-face of Western media when it comes to Ukrainian far-right movements. The narrative changed immediately. You’re meant to ask why.

It does not mean “Ukraine == Nazis”. This is your invention.

Here’s another response that’s the sort of thing you write when you first learn “omg capitalism is bad you guys!” and view all of the world’s ills through that lens. much dialect wow

The term is “dialectic”. Are you sure you are familiar with the topic you are being condescending about?

Anyone who had a look at Lenin’s “Imperialism: highest stage of capitalism” and took it seriously, knew that there would be war in Europe as soon as they realized that the means of production of the former USSR were auctioned in a corrupt fashion, and their structure of ownership went not to western hands, but to national interests that collide with those of the US. Since that moment, it was just a matter of time that there would be conflict.

Poor oppressed Putin!

A sentiment found nowhere in the statement you quoted. In fact, it is exactly the opposite of focusing on the political leader of the country and instead focuses on the material conditions of the former USSR (which is more than the aRussian Federation).

I’ve waded through the responses now to make sure I’m not missing something worthwhile, and it was a waste of my time.

Of course you are free to decide what is worth your time, but your criticisms here have been specious.

lemmy.world preemptively defederated from hexbear before hexbear had even turned on the ability to federate. In the Lemmy.world defederation post they also said that defederation has a “last resort” lmao.

I think the LW admins think their users are stupid.

Based on the link another user had to provide, you received a lengthy criticism of your logic and sources and then didn’t handle it well.

Now you are here calling them crazy.

The term “authoritarian” is so fraught that under these circumstances it might as well just mean “opponent of the United States” or “organized at all”.

The examples you have provided are quite absurd.

Tiananmen Square (which you misspelled) is indeed poorly understood in The West, including the historical conensus that there was no massacre in the square itself. It is, in fact, historical revisionism to suggest otherwise. In addition, Tiananmen Square is just a place, a very popular one to visit that has been the location for all kinda of events. In China, the events are called the June 4 Incident / events. Calling it “Tiananmen Square” is sometimes a sign that a person is not familiar with the history as they are using the common but misleading term that is virtually only used to forward the previously-mentioned historical revisionism to a Western audience that is in no way interested in understanding.

Re: Uyghurs, I would suggest that you read into this much more, as the topic is full of misinformation, think tanks with shady ties, fake universities, charlatans pretending to be experts, literal teenagers treated as satellite photography analysis experts, and really weird NGOs, including pro-Trump ones. One good topic to focus on is calling it a genocide at all and how that came to be the discourse. In particular, what The Newlines Institute is, why they were amplified by the US State Departmwnt, their rationale, and, of course, why none of that is taken seriously outside of a very specific political block. Following their members, funding, etc is actually a pretty interesting rabbit trail to follow. Bird’s eye view, the rhetorical treatment of Uyghurs as the subject of genocide was more or less invented, and this is is why you naturally don’t see math death, destruction, refugees, or forced migrations of the Uyghur population. This does not mean bad things haven’t happened there nor that policies were not hamfisted, but just compare how China treated a series of sectarian knife attacks (education, jobs, vocational training, investment, banning extremist Salafist practices) to how the West treated and treats Muslims (invading and killing millions).

So, anyways, I hope that you can continue your education and engage with these realities in gold faith.

Bertrand Russell’s Political understanding was poor to say the least. He was in no way an expert and seemed to have only skimmed summaries and a handful of short texts when it came to Marx, sounding more like Jordan Peterson fixating on terms. For example, I think at one point he spent several paragraphs fixated on “nothing to lose but our chains” without understanding the basic thesis. His criticisms were, therefore, basically a series of errors and misunderstandings rather than insight. And beneath it all, a distressingly consistent current of chauvinism and racism, even with his anti-war stance.

Russell is good for math, logic, and some analytic philosophy, though.

They were banned while saying John Brown did nothing wrong and that slaveowners deserve to die.

Sounds pretty cool to me.

The last time what was tried? This sounds like historical “knowledge” derived from memes.

lemmy.world users don’t interact with hexbeqr users because your admin preemptively defederated from hexbear “as a last resort”. At no point were the two federated. I don’t know about crazy, but that seems inconsistent. Don’t you agree?