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It’s fine to not care about what other people think and engage with the other person in a discussion. Even then, there can still be value in our arguments for the other people on this website with us. Our discourse can be useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFpK_r-jEXg

As far this Onion video, we should engage in the relentless pursuit of the truth regardless of other people’s opinions real or imagined. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be grateful when someone is arguing for equality.

The conversations we are having on this public comment section are of course public. This can be observed by the fact that people jump in at different points of the comment chains in this comment section. Not to mention the fact we are having a meta discussion about the discussions. Also, most instances have some form of voting in their default views. So the audience is real.

What I find to be the common misconception is that because we are having this discussion over an artificial medium that somehow cheapens the discourse. However, this is a real discussion with real people about a topic that affects real people.

A primary goal should be to educate people. There’s no reason why the discussion can’t be entertaining. Usually this shouldn’t be at anyone’s expense, however we shouldn’t tolerate intolerant people. The far-right have seen the internet as a serious means of communication and are using it as a way to spread their ideology to devastating effect. Making fun of these intolerant people is a necessary step to preventing the spread of disinformation. But making the argument on its own is great too.

I don’t have the time or the energy to reply to every incorrect take or argument I see on the internet. And I typically read more than I write. That’s probably true of most internet users. So I appreciate it when I see other people pushing back against intolerant ideologies. Especially in this case, where the bad faith was so explicitly apparent. No one person could fight back against the right-wing infosphere by themselves. Defeating intolerant ideologies and educating people is a group effort.

Is a rat’s tail like a monkey’s paw?

Also, I lost track of your username. I thought I was arguing with another person in this chain. So anyway, thanks again! =)

That’s prudish. It’s the 21st century. This is a beach in America and it’s fine.

https://i.insider.com/5773e4c8dd089531228b4d84?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp

I want equality for all. You have to work so hard to try to fight that, it’s silly.

What you’re ranting about is what men do all the time all over the place, because it’s no big deal. It eventually will be that way for everyone.

However something tells me that it’s not a problem and most people do not care if it wasn’t ever even voted on.

No, actually people want equality. We’ve been fighting for it for centuries. We’ll be fighting for it as long as there are people who want to take it away.

Loud minority screams “I wanna go naked on the streets”

Men go topless all the time. The fact you need to bend over backwards here is an obvious demonstration that you are not arguing in good faith. @splendoruranium@infosec.pub, do you see what I mean?

“oh no I have to put my shirt on before going out, this is fascism”

More of the same. Really stunning to watch a person tie themselves into knots for the sake of inequality. Some people really do hate women.

Go to the beach and there go topless all you want. That’s what I do anyway. We collectively agreed that this is where it is fine to do so. Or on your property, you can walk even completely naked all you want.

Women should be allowed to go topless wherever men can. See how it’s trivial to describe when the goal is equality. It’s inequality that adds needless complexity.

Radical gender centrist

This really says it all. The word you’re looking for is misogynist.

You being horny isn’t a justification treat women as second class citizens. Grow up.

Because some people are not arguing in good faith. Sometimes it’s best to call them out on what they’re doing so people learn to recognize the behavior.

This comment section is not the first time this topic has been thought about and discussed.

Some of these users are unironically repeating rape cultural word for word and in this case with the add on of “I’m just asking questions”. Thanks for sticking it to them. =)

It is sexist because you’re treating them differently based on arbitrary cultural standards. Why are you pretending made up social constructs are real? We shouldn’t be consistently sexist. We should want equality for all.

Saying ‘women shouldn’t go around topless’ isn’t allowing society to function. It’s sexist and demonizes women’s bodies in a way that promotes violence against women. Deconstruct your society or don’t, but don’t be surprised when you end up in a death camp because you thought it was fine to give second class person status to half your population.

That’s why I said highly improbable. But if they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point. edit: typo

Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀

Let’s get that last seat! edit: typos

The rise of fascism globally isn’t an intelligence test. People are trapped in information silos. No matter how smart a person is, if all they have is propaganda it’s rational to assume they are going to believe the propaganda. We need to get true information into these information silos to help these people.

3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.

This one definition covers all humans so it’s not particularly useful.

Also, this implies treating life as a zero-sum game is at least a correct strategy if not outright claiming it to be the preferred strategy. Part of trying to solve our problems involves overcoming this impulse and avoiding pointless tit-for-tat cycles which often land people in the situation your argument’s definition states as problematic. Namely, in game theory terms, two people cheating in a prisoner’s dilemma in order to gain and thus ensuring mutual loss.

I bring all that up because this just happened in the last election where pro-Palestinian activists and Democrat supporters of Kamala Harris could not get on the same page despite sharing the same goals.

5. A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.

We are consciousness running on meat sacks in a physics based universe. It only takes one person acting on self-destructive ideas and false information to be a danger to themselves and others. edit: typos

Not sure if you noticed, but the attitude in America is dominated by proud ignorance and failure to discern real data from propaganda.

The people who know better have to educate the people who do not. There are people who aren’t trapped in right-wing information silos who are interested in learning. But there have to be people who are willing to teach.

Not yet, but the stage is set for that scenario.

There are worse case scenarios after that one as well unless we work to make things better.

That time is past.

People are always coping. Might as well do it in a way that is enjoyable and doesn’t require us to misrepresent our current and approaching circumstances as the worst case scenarios, when there are worse.

I was going to refer you to a doctor who is also a ninja to learn more about using humor to deal with stressful situations. But his website is down. So you get to read these instead.

This explains what RCPs and SSPs are.

https://docs.theclimatedatafactory.com/info/faq/whats-the-difference-between-representative-concentration-pathways-and-shared-socioeconomic-pathways/

These are SSP scenarios.

https://www.vox.com/22620706/climate-change-ipcc-report-2021-ssp-scenario-future-warming

This was considered to be the worst case RCP scenario. But I wouldn’t be surprised if there has been some new work done on this.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2020/09/the-worst-case-climate-change-scenario-could-look-like-this-we-need-to-avert-it/

Presumably researchers will need to start looking at what were considered to be less likely scenarios given the results of this election.

You don’t understand. We ALREADY tried the Trump thing and it failed miserably.

I was there. I’m from the 20th century. I remember the videos of college students on our campus running around late at night like chickens with their heads cut off.

We don’t listen. We don’t learn.

We don’t with that attitude.

We’re doubtful to ever experience a more black and white election than what we just experienced. And we still managed to fail.

I would love to see the encounter table you’re referencing. Rather than assuming things are as bad as they could possibly be, they aren’t, I recommend using humor as a coping mechanism. The former, assuming things, plays into accelerationism which falsely, without evidence, claims there is some bottom to how bad things can get. The latter, humor, is enjoyable.

We already haven’t.

It’s a week since election day.

We already have.

It’s a week since election day.

This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes.

This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.

We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?

Only one way to find out.

Pessimism may feel true, but just because something feels true doesn’t make it true.

No one knows the future. But if we don’t learn from out mistakes, it’s likely we will keep making them.

That’s where cult deprogramming comes into play. There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes. The rest of us need to do our part and educate, even if it doesn’t always have the impact we hope in the moment.

How about a seminar on tariffs though.

I guess I forgot some people knew what to expect from a second Trump term and would plan accordingly. It would have been nice if this guy had sat these people down and had this talk before the election.