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  • You gave me numbers that show how many new people are trained in maintenance, you gave zero information about how many people in the military TOTAL are maintenance personnel. I’ve explained why your numbers are meaningless already.

    We don’t train people to mop the boat, everyone does that. That’s my point, every skilled technician also does the menial shit, we just take turns doing it. You don’t know that because you aren’t in the military, or you’d be aware of things like duty section and watch rotation, and how cross trained people are.

    Imagine having the money and space to have someone who’s only job is swabbing a deck, ridiculous. I’ll take my experience and just fuck off I guess because someone looked up the incorrect statistic for the argument and thinks it proves their point.


  • Correct, however I never said that was the amount trained per year which is the only data you’ve shown. I’m not arguing your math, you’re just misrepresenting the problem.

    That depends heavily on branch, in the Air Force one guy takes a tire off and another installs it. In the Navy the guy running Quality Assurance checks on your engine swapout might be the guy fueling your plane or launching you out. Same with the Marines.

    It’s true that the job of removal and installation is fairly dummy proof given you can read and follow instructions, but actually being able to lay out a schematic/circuit diagram and troubleshoot? Absolutely not lol get the fuck out of here.


  • I didn’t say 200,000 people were trained every year, you did. What’s the total volume of the military at any point in time per capital that are in maintenance roles? Whether that’s the FC’s who fix CIWS or the AS’s who repair electrical issues on support equipment, everyone who uses tools to fix something.

    Our squadron had almost 100 people in maintenance for 7-10 aircraft depending on mission requirement, that’s not even counting I level who fixed the circuit boards and did soldering which we never even saw. If you saw maintenance to flight hours depicted on a spreadsheet you’d realize it’s not remotely unrealistic for that many people to be in maintenance. Plus, planes and tanks make up less than half of the equipment that needs fixed, what about all the other vehicles infantry uses? The hundreds of ships the Navy uses? How many airman work on nuclear missiles and satellites?

    You’re blindspots in how many things need repaired are huge, and your assessment of how many people it takes to fix one plane or one tank is totally off.


  • Yes, absolutely. Who do you think is fixing all the tanks, ships and planes? You think we outsource that shit?

    For every person who fights there are ten who fix their various equipment. Go look up AFSCs and Navy rates and at least half are directly maintenance related.

    Every branch has fixed wing aircraft and helicopters, Army and Marines have ground vehicles that need repaired, and the Navy has ships and submarines jam packed with warfare and fire control electronics. It’s crazy you think otherwise and it’s obvious you have no actual knowledge.





  • Irrelevant, the original point was that they don’t want people who think, they want cannon fodder. As if people who can’t think would be capable of running a shop or leading technically minded people in workflows and processes that will affect missions weeks away. That’s just at the E-4/5 level, not even close to officers. If you can’t think in the military you’ll forever be bottom of the barrel, because planning and forethought is required for virtually all leadership roles beyond E-3.

    90% of the military is in a field that has a direct civilian equivalent and is considered skilled work needing at least average intelligence and in most cases above. Most of the people shitting on the military in this thread couldn’t even hack half of the jobs the military needs people for.