I will bitch about heat.,
I will bitch about cold.
I will bitch about sunshine,
and about growing old.
I will bitch about everything,
inside and out.
And if there is nothing,
Well I’ll bitch about that.

Very good, I had a go at an alternate ending.

Let them eat cake

Yikes. Is there a name for this?

Looks like a list of radars

• APQ-158[9]? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APQ-159

• AN/APN-217 improved AN/APN-211 Doppler navigational radar system by Teledyne for AH-1W, UH-1N, SH-2G, SH-3D, HH-3F CH-46 CH-53E, MH-53E, RH-53D HH-60H/J SH-60B/F/J V-22. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radars

And then I’d guess Casper, Jack-o’-lantern, and Grim Reaper are all pilot callsigns.

I don’t know if the rubber mask is a character or just some generic Halloween type thing.

Very cool picture!

Bluetac - no light gets through and it’s usually pretty easy to remove when necessary.

Poor lad on the left looks like he’s had enough for today

Mission successful? … he infiltrated pretty darn deep

At least that we know of …

I think we’re arguing to the same end, that if it wasn’t a choice between high standard of living / interesting career Vs having children there wouldn’t be an issue. Capitalism, once again, is a victim of it’s own success and desire for short term gains.

Lol, have you any data for your assumptions?

If you’ve run out of points by all means turn this into a personal attack.

This shows me that people on high incomes have fewer babies, it doesn’t show whether those not having to work whilst maintaining that high standard of living (i.e. independently wealthy - millions in savings) have higher or lower numbers of children.

I think we’re arguing to the same end, that if it wasn’t a choice between high standard of living / interesting career Vs having children there wouldn’t be an issue. Capitalism, once again, is a victim of it’s own success and desire for short term gains.

We’ve done such a good job advertising a better life that everyone’s decided earning more and having a good career is the most important thing.

And where is this data? What are you basing this on?

Because earning 200k doesn’t mean they have millions in savings, and I’m not quite sure how you’d be able to get that data.

That’s assuming they don’t want to keep their big houses, expensive holidays etc? Generally expenditure grows with income.

I think your argument is that people don’t have children for reasons other than wealth. My argument is that wealth and the ability to live a certain life style does affect people’s decision on having children.

Lol, I have no idea, a million isn’t that much if one has a big house, staff, and private jets.

I’m not quite sure what your point is?

This chart does backup your statement that low income families have the highest birthrate.

It does not show whether people have to work, which is the point I was disputing (that rich people who don’t have to work have fewer children)

Looking at the ONS data the percentage of women who’s employment status is ‘unclassified’ is, by far, the largest proportion of women giving birth

That’s GDP of the country, and is not related to the number of children born to parents who don’t have to work. It states that rich countries have a lower birth rate.

ignores the fact that rich people (who don’t have to work) have less kids

You’d have to provide some data about not having to work and birthrates. According to table 2, by far the largest proportion of births is to those who are unclassified. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/articles/anoteonchildbearingbysocioeconomicstatusandcountryofbirthofmother/2016#births-by-socio-economic-status-and-age-of-mothers

However it doesn’t distinguish between being wealthy, on benefits or perhaps being a student!

This paper suggests that a fall in birth rate amongst wealthier people coincides with the industrial revolution. https://www.jstor.org/stable/44289704?seq=1

People just don’t want kids if they can help it.

Perhaps, or people think more before having kids (also contraception makes it easier to prevent pregnancy in the first place)

Yep, sorry! I did change the comment.

Why did women go to work, was it so they could buy more things, to support their family … I don’t know.

Perhaps it offered a better life then living off the land.

Women would have worked in the home before having the ‘right’ to work in a factory…

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1037268/crude-birth-rate-uk-1800-2020/

If we go back a little further we see a much bigger fall in birthrate before women’s rights. Without looking too deeply one could argue it’s related to the process of industrialisation.

https://localhistories.org/a-timeline-of-womens-rights-uk/

Here’s the same chart for the USA. One very fair argument is that the fall in child mortality means you don’t need to have as many children to replace the ones that died.

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