Je m’attendais pas à récolter des assentiments(, merci pour ta réponse du coup), mais oui, la liste est longue, et les quelques exemples que j’ai cité auraient d’ailleurs dû être mieux développés.

Si la plupart des gens ici sont sur jlailu ou sh.itjust.works, alors je ne pense pas que ce soit nécessaire, mais je ferais attention à ça la prochaine fois, et peut-être que je ferais alors aussi un doublon sur monde@jlailu si le thème est similaire(, et les doublons autorisés). Merci pour ta réponse.

Peut-être oui, mais il est officiellement moins subjectif que je ne le croyais initialement : https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron, après ce n’était pas vraiment dirigé contre lui, j’ai surtout cessé de comprendre le point de vue adverse et j’aimerais bien corriger ça(, non pas que cela aura un impact sur ces nombreuses morts inutiles d’innocents, ou sur l’injustice du vol de Jérusalem et de ses alentours, c’est juste par “curiosité” personnelle, pas plus/moins inutile qu’autre chose).
Bien sûr je peux continuer de lire des articles mais, une fois que leurs arguments n’ont plus de valeur(, comme avec J.Assange parmi tant d’exemples, où si je veux bien concéder(, comme lui, pour les prénoms&noms,) que certaines choses ne devraient pas être publiées, le point de vue de supprimer toutes les révélations est absurde), il ne me reste que le débat avec d’autres personnes.

Ah flûte, je n’y avais pas pensé. Je ne pense pas que j’aurais eu ma réponse de toute manière, tu penses que ça vaut le coup que je fasse un nouveau sujet avec un compte de lemmy.world ?

I take it as a natural reaction to overload of stress/emotion/pain. Being able to cry is physiologically beneficial (you get rid of cortisol) and psychologically it can help you process the things you’re going through more quickly. Trying to appear though by not crying seems counterproductive to me, but I understand in some cultures it is not socially acceptable to cry, especially for men.

To me, if you’re crying you’re admitting that something is stronger than you, that you’re powerless, and i still find it useless, i guess that i just have a bad image of it(, it can be beautiful though, like tears of joy, or of an emotion which isn’t defeat). But i clearly(, and subconsciously,) don’t treat men, women, or children, in the same point of view in regard to crying, i’d never think of saying “man up” to a woman hurt to the point of tears, yet i find it admirable when a man swallow his pain, and straighten his profile in order to act after whatever happened, that’s the common thinking, i’m not the weird one here(, even if my descriptions are very imperfect), but since modernity changed so many things they may end up suppressing the differences between men and women, or not, w/e.

If I suppressed my emotions, I would still be influenced by them, but I would have no conscious control over them, which would again result in limiting my rationality

On the contrary, suppressing your emotions helps to act rationally without being overwhelmed by them, and i.m.o. there’s no real difference between emotions and reason, since our feelings can be explained rationally, we’re often saying that “reason ignore the heart’s own reasons”, but that’s not true, we are indeed influenced by subconscious feelings that we would be unable to analyse, but that’s a minor side and i don’t make a distinction between the cold reasoning and the hot emotions, i’m deciding with both a’d i think almost everyone does the same.

I find the terms inner strength and beauty to be also very vague.

100%, i realized it when i was writing the examples, and the example you gave me is another very good one, you can indeed find effeminate/weak persons who are “tough motherf*ckers”, i didn’t give enough thought behind what “internally strong” may mean, and it also depends on the situation, it’s not because you’re weak or ugly internally at one time of the time that you can’t act beautifully or strongly at another time.

I agree with you that it’s reductive to stop on two adjectives.

Well, it doesn’t come from me and i have a story and some good memories from it. But in a few words, i asked someone special(, ~9 years ago,) if he had a motto, and he told me that the masonic triangle is “Strength · Beauty · Wisdom”, i still haven’t checked if it’s true(, but discovered a few years later that it’s in the Kabbalah). It stayed in my mind and i naturally decided to apply it to men and women and divide it in internally//externally. Just to say that somewhere.
While reductive, i think it has a lot of truth in it.

I don’t see any reason to propagate just one way for men and one way for women.

Men have testosterone, have sexual fantasy when they touch women, and read comics when they imagine themselves fighting.
Women have estrogens, in their fantasy they imagine themselves being touched, and read romantic novels when they’re preparing themselves for the unavoidable desire they’ll attract.

Yeah, i’ll need to edit this message, if you’re reading this line give me 30-40mn i want to do something first.

Not that i care but i’m sure that your comment made sense in your mind, would you mind sharing it with me ?

Do you interpret relieving your emotions by crying as being weak ?

Yeah, obviously, would you say that it’s a sign of strength ?

Or perhaps feeling emotions as being weak ?

“Emotion” is a vague term. Some emotions like bravery(, often a borderline foolishness,) are assimilated with strength. Some emotions like the feeling of defeat, self-pity, the lack of resilience, the fear of authority/punishment that makes you betray others/ideals, that’s weak. Always interesting to see how Chelsea Manning is stronger than a lot of men in this regard. Men love to fight, so kinda appreciate to be hurt in a way, and are proud of their scars.
Some emotions are beautiful, such as the one expressed in poetry, others are ugly and you don’t need examples to get what i mean.

It’s easier to exclude men from external beauty and women from external strength than it is to exclude them from internal beauty and strength, respectively.

And do you find women more flawed, because they’re physically weaker than men ?

We have our qualities and flaws, some women are stronger than some men and some men are more beautiful( inside&outside) than women, and it’s reductive to stop at these two adjectives, as well as obviously erroneous to draw conclusion on an individual from generalities.
Here’s what i answered to a previous comment if you’re interested :
Admittedly, beauty is more useful in times of peace than strength, if i count the benefits(, women can give birth and that’s the most important thing in Nature), women have more of them than men, but if we can keep some of our qualities i won’t say no.

Why would it be better if there were no distinction between men and women ? Or between countries, or citizens ?
What’s the use of showing your vulnerability, is that something that others like to see ? And it’s not difficult, what’s difficult is to take upon yourself and desire the struggle.
We’re men, alike rocks, people/life hit us and we don’t move, this has advantages and inconvenients, we generally appreciate women’s sensibility, and i suppose that most of them appreciate to be able to rely on men when they’re needed.
Admittedly, beauty is more useful in times of peace than strength, if i count the benefits(, women can give birth and that’s the most important thing in Nature), women have more of them than men, but if we can keep some of our qualities i won’t say ‘no’.

That’s how things are in general.
Diversity is good, but cry if you want to, i won’t support weakness on my part, and i will keep being annoyed if i encounter a weak man(, just as women may be annoyed by “ugly” women, i.d.k.).

Lol no, you can be both, and both can be wise/smart, etc.
But in general, women are more beautiful than men and men are stronger than women, perhaps that people nowadays see egality as uniformity, i.d.k.
But weakness(, inside and outside,) is a flaw/defect, as is (internal&external )ugliness, and other flaws.

As a general “rule” : women are beautiful(inside&outside), while men are strong(inside&outside).
Promoting weak men is a mistake in my opinion.

tu penses qu’elle devrait être encore plus étoffée

Étant donné qu’il y aurait un ajout/semaine à faire en période creuse(, près d’un ajout/jour en temps normal,) et que cela dure depuis des décennies, alors oui.
Je réitère que les israélien.ne.s ne sont pas non plus dans une situation confortable, mais c’était à souligner en raison de l’accusation unilatérale de terrorisme.

Imaginons que je reçoive un contre-argument :

Mais tu peux pas dire ça !

Vers une dissolution de Human Rights Watch ? https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution#8565

Pas sûr de comprendre pourquoi cette page wikipedia est vide : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_war_crimes_against_Israel, mais vous aurez compris l’idée.
Pas sûr non plus qu’il était nécessaire d’imaginer un commentaire pour y répondre, et oui je comprends que la situation d’Israël est précaire et qu’ils sont en position de survie, mais si l’on offre aucune autre alternative aux palestinien.ne.s que d’accepter leur perte sans rien avoir d’équivalent en échange, et si l’on continue de mentir en prétendant favoriser une solution à deux états(, très clairement pas le choix d’Israël, probablement pas celui des palestinien.ne.s non plus), alors arrêtez de croire que la paix est désirable puisqu’elle ne favorisera que l’oppresseur. Il faut offrir quelque chose d’équivalent aux palestinien.ne.s, ça commence par là, et ce nouveau territoire palestinien ne peux venir que de l’ouest agresseur, pas des pays arabes défenseurs.

Encore une preuve que le terme “terrorisme” ne veut rien dire, s’ils pensent objectif de l’attribuer aux palestinien.ne.s plutôt qu’aux israëlien.ne.s.

Progressivement…

On oublie pas la loi Avia, ni toutes ces lois antiterroristes utilisées pour d’autres personnes que Daesh, ce battage médiatique autour du harcèlement scolaire est juste une autre porte d’entrée(, juste avant le passage de la loi, quelle coïncidence ! Pas comme s’il y avait des conséquences à la manipulation donc pourquoi se priver).

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