Ah my bad, I misread the original comment, just woke up lol.

Honestly it just seems like you’re trying to contort yourself into a knot that allows you to eat meat without feeling bad?

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Excuse me, what resolution do you watch YouTube in?

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This guy is a dumbass lmao

Sorry, is this anthropomorphic paint brush not fuckable enough for you?

As much as I have no obligation to agree with another person’s views, I also have no obligation to argue about them.

There’s clearly views in this world that can be pretty much dismissed outright, if you disagree you’re free to go to a flat earther forum to debate them out of it.

The only reason Musk wants to hide likes is because he agrees with a bunch of really shitty and messed up positions, and he wants to not be responsible for it.

If you like a post saying “I believe that the jews did 9/11” I think it’s fair for someone to look at it and go “Hey that’s obviously fake, really dumb, and kinda hilarious that you’re this stupid.”

I think people with ridiculous views should not have an issue with being ridiculed for those views.

It really feels like you’re the immature bunch, trying to hide who you are because you’re too fragile to own up to it if it’s being scrutinized.

Maybe they just need to open up, and up, and up, and up, and up.

This guys post history is a hoot

Personally, when I’m taking a bath you can expect to not see me for the next 3-5 hours

Get a real job, prompt engineer

No, there just needs to be some sort of human involvement.

Art is something humans do, computer algorithms cannot do art because they’re not people.

Typing “big boobs anime girl pink hair rain low lighting trending on artstation” into a text box is not human involvement in art, and pretending it is is a slap in the face of every human being in existence who ever liked any art ever.

Because you say so? What makes you the great arbiter of what is and isnt art? You are literally gatekeeping by the very definiton of the word.

I’m fairly sure I mentioned the definition I use for art before. Ai generated images can’t be art because they’re not made by a person, there’s no underlying thought or message, it’s just algorithmic slop.

Same thing goes for a tree growing freely in the woods, there’s no intent behind it, the tree just grows the best it can to fulfil it’s need for sunlight and nutrients, as such it is not art.

Both the tree and AI can create imagery that can be considered beautiful, but beauty != art.

Modern music however is created by people, even if the message behind it is that “I feel so clean like a money machine.”

Mud chocolate bit

The point is that even if AI generated images are trash, they can still do harm to culture.

So peoeple that do things like put a hole in a paint can and let it swing back and forth over a canvas? Is that still humans making art? What about mechanical things spirographs? is that still humans making art? What about digital art the relies heavily on computer tools (including tools that often use AI)? What about photographers? Or what about someone that uses generated AI aspects in their digital art? Your definition is reactionary gatekeeping bullshit. And there is no logical reasoning behind it.

That is all people doing things, yeah.

Okay thats entirely besides the point.

I’m just saying this regarding the dEmOcRaTiSinG aRt cringe, are has been democratic for as long as people could make coherent vocalisations, you people just don’t want to put in any effort into it.

And the Mona Lisa would have been easier to make on a Wacom tablet, but wouldnt be anywhere near the same quality as the original. So Digital art is dangerous too right?

It’s not about how easy it is, it’s about it being easy and artistically worthless. It doesn’t matter if the sprites were scanned sculptures or crayon stickmen, it was art.

You cannot make an argument against AI that cannot be logically applied to other art as well.

If you willingly misinterpret the point, yeah.

It’s not about it being easy, it’s that you cannot just take a bunch of art, and taking the fucking averages of it and hoping it to be anything but (at best) pretty images.

It doesn’t happen with the output of a generative model by itself, if you edit it afterwards then it can be art because someone did put at least something into it.

Still though, the base in that case is completely meaningless and you’d have to change it massively for it to be anything worthwhile, just like a bonsai requires a lot of effort to be turned from a regular tree to art.

“im not gatekeeping, but im deciding what counts as art and what doesnt.”

You understand thats like the definition of gatekeeping right?

I would also say that a tree growing freely in the forest isn’t art, am I gatekeeping plants from art?

More gatekeeping. How is this any different to someone complaining about modern music being “empty slop” because they dont use real instruments?

Because modern music is art, a lot of it isn’t amazing, but it’s art.

There’s an idea, which is executed through a medium by a human or set of people, and the end result is art.

If something isn’t made by a person, it is by definition not art, see my tree in the forest example from before.

Again, if art is all about expressing yourself and human creativity, and AI art isnt “real art” and will never produce anything meaningful, then how is it a threat? You’re actively contradicting yourself.

If the mud in my garden isn’t delicious chocolate as you claim then why can I still get botulism from it and fucking die?

It’s a threat because:

1. Capitalism will seek to use it for more efficient extraction of value, leading to popular culture being even worse on average.

2. It’s just bad?

And if he just made all his art abstract paint swirls and splatters, it also wouldnt be anywhere near the art piece it is. So that means abstract art isnt real art right?

What? Yes, if the artist used a different art style for the visual parts of it, it would be a different piece of art. If it was made by a person it would still be art.

In that point I was trying to get at two things:

1. Even if you have basically no skills needed for gamedev, you can overcome it by effort or by collaboration.

2. Another danger of AI, as using it would have been the easier option there, but in turn the end product wouldn’t be anywhere near the same quality.

What? You’re legitimately arguing that generating images has no applications? Thats a pretty hot take.

If you want a good and meaningful end product, yeah.

If you don’t care about the end product or it’s something that was going to be meaningless from the start, like corporate art, I guess it works.

So you can either invest a couple thousand hours of your time to learn to do it yourself, or you can spend money you might not have to get someone to do it for you, or now, you can have AI generate the art for you.

If you want your game to be a good game, you’ll have to invest something into the art, you don’t have to be a master artist to make a good game with good art.

AI makes art near infinitely more accessible for people, which is objectively a good thing, but people like you want to gatekeep it for arbitrary reasons.

AI doesn’t make art accessible to people, it makes pretty images accessible.

I am not gatekeeping anything, the things that a machine learning algorithm creates can never be art, and if you want to use it for any project you care about, you are making a mistake.

and if the whole point of art is human expression like you say, well AI art doesnt stop you from creating your own art now does it? So why do you have beef with it?

What I’m capable of is completely irrelevant to what I care about, I want people to create cool and meaningful pieces of art, and AI generated images ruin that.

As I said before, you’re taking all of that expression and experience, blending it together, and what comes out has nothing in it, it’s completely empty of any thought or intent behind it.

I don’t want a world where huge amounts of the stuff we see is empty slop, I like art, and this stuff is a threat to the potential of so many artists.

Off the top of my head I could name games like Undertale, that were created by people who were completely new to game dev.

If Toby Fox decided to use AI to generate all of the imagery in that game, it would be nowhere near the art piece it is. But he didn’t, he got an artist to work with him to create the vision he wanted for the game.