• Zorque@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    If you see no differences between the Ukrainian government, flawed as it has been, and the Russian government under Putin… you may need to look a little deeper.

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        Ukrainians disagree. And they are the ones that matter. If you want to live in slavery or without political rights, it is your choice, of course.

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          11 months ago

          Yeah, not only Ukraine, but pretty much every country that’s next to Russia.

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          Well yeah, it’s up to them, but I don’t think they’re monolithic. They’ll eventually negotiate once they run out of men or weapons. I don’t think they’d be slaves if Russia captured Kyiv either. Perhaps without political rights, but that wasn’t much different than before.

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            I think that’s exactly the point - they know how it was before, and they know how it can be by looking in neighboring EU.

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                “Give me liberty or give me death”

                — Patric Henry

                “There are very few things worth dying for, liberty for yourself and for your loved ones is one of them”

                — MxM111

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                    That depends where you live, what your cultural upbringing is. If you are from Russia, sure. There, it is a myth, and democracy is something to scare people by.

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        So by that logic, Ukraine and in fact every country that Putin sets his eyes on should just roll over and surrender?

        The mere threat of violence should allow a dictator to take over, as long as the country is moderately corrupt?

        I hate to break it to you, that’s nearly every country in the world, so Putin (or any other dictator) could become the world’s emperor if they just made a credible threat?

        This is why total pacifism is insanity folks.

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        11 months ago

        Yet somehow almost every nation that’s neighboring Russia is ready to fight Russia just for the privilege of not being in Russia. We cannot all be just delusional.