Is there an “Out Of The Loop” for those of us who don’t know what is going on with this new crazy flavor of Froot Loopz?
When and where did it start, where is this more prevalent, and just what the hell is it? The argument and reasoning, it seems they believe there is precedent or interpretation in the law that allows their stances to be legal… or something, I guess.
Is this shit from Montana and Idaho? I think I remember some “sovereign” militia having a showdown with the FBI in the 90s.
It began being known by that name in a white supremacist group ideology called Christian Identity as part of a group called the Posse Comitatus in 1971 in the US, but had its roots in general anti-government groups even earlier than that. It grew much more with the American farm crisis of the 80s and 90s to begin to exclude the white supremacists from its members. In the 90s the ideology was adopted by the Moorish Science Temple which is why so many of them are now black. It exists in other countries too, Australia has a lot of them, called Freeman on the Land. It has expanded greatly in the 2000s due to recession and mortgage crisis. The ideology meshes with Qanon often; a sovcit group called the Oath Enforcers showed up to the insurrection to support Trump for example. It can now be found in 26 countries, even Singapore.
Thungs like Qanon and antivaxxers and the COVID pandemic have attracted many more people to it, sovcits are of course animask and antivax. They HATE Jews.
Basically sovcits believe they are private people not bound by government laws. They will not have licenses or plates, do not pay taxes, and believe a lot of what is called pseudolsw…they “paper terrorize” the courts routinely.
They are crazy funny in my posts but they are capable of violence and many are in militias.
Seems like they fancy themselves at the center of some great struggle or event. Like most if not all pathetic cult fringes of society.
Imagine being born into that, growing up in that family and neighborhood environment in some Boise or Fargo outskirts, not unlike Alabama "long live the Confederacy’ trailer trash, where education is frowned upon, all the shit that gets stuffed into a young, poor mind early and often.
I’m only halfway joking when I say that some people should not be allowed to procreate.
There are other, structurally similar groups in other countries as well.
Here in Germany we’ve got Reichsbürger (citizens of the Reich), which use similar thought models to explain why Germany actually doesn’t exist as a country and is actually a company (literally, they call it Germany LLC).
They engage in similar denial of anything they don’t like about laws, while arguing pseudo-legalistic in other areas.
They’ve always been around in some flavor or another, but they (like many once niche shticks) blew up with the internet.
spitball Cliff Notes: “I’m not an American citizen bound by American laws, I am an American National born on US soil. I have a right to travel, which I am doing in my conveyance (vehicle) therefore you cannot apply driving laws to me for I am traveling, not driving.” Basically, they think there’s a secret set of laws/combination of laws that allows them to exist “outside” of the system without engaging with it’s various parts (usually driving/car reg laws and taxes, but can include things like debt, court, etc)
extra nutter cliffnotes: “The name in all caps on your birth certificate is a corporation/strawman/legal fiction owned by the US govt via which you interact and do business with the govt, whereas your true name is your first and last with only the first capitalized as proper English grammar dictates. Taxes and other govt business are not done with me John Doe, they are done with the corporation of JOHN DOE, and I as a (American National/free man/pick a term) am not responsible for the tax obligations or other legal business the corporation of JOHN DOE has with the government.”
TLDR Cliff Notes: “I can not be bound by American laws because I never agreed to be governed by American laws.”
Is there an “Out Of The Loop” for those of us who don’t know what is going on with this new crazy flavor of Froot Loopz?
When and where did it start, where is this more prevalent, and just what the hell is it? The argument and reasoning, it seems they believe there is precedent or interpretation in the law that allows their stances to be legal… or something, I guess.
Is this shit from Montana and Idaho? I think I remember some “sovereign” militia having a showdown with the FBI in the 90s.
It began being known by that name in a white supremacist group ideology called Christian Identity as part of a group called the Posse Comitatus in 1971 in the US, but had its roots in general anti-government groups even earlier than that. It grew much more with the American farm crisis of the 80s and 90s to begin to exclude the white supremacists from its members. In the 90s the ideology was adopted by the Moorish Science Temple which is why so many of them are now black. It exists in other countries too, Australia has a lot of them, called Freeman on the Land. It has expanded greatly in the 2000s due to recession and mortgage crisis. The ideology meshes with Qanon often; a sovcit group called the Oath Enforcers showed up to the insurrection to support Trump for example. It can now be found in 26 countries, even Singapore.
Thungs like Qanon and antivaxxers and the COVID pandemic have attracted many more people to it, sovcits are of course animask and antivax. They HATE Jews.
Basically sovcits believe they are private people not bound by government laws. They will not have licenses or plates, do not pay taxes, and believe a lot of what is called pseudolsw…they “paper terrorize” the courts routinely.
They are crazy funny in my posts but they are capable of violence and many are in militias.
Seems like they fancy themselves at the center of some great struggle or event. Like most if not all pathetic cult fringes of society.
Imagine being born into that, growing up in that family and neighborhood environment in some Boise or Fargo outskirts, not unlike Alabama "long live the Confederacy’ trailer trash, where education is frowned upon, all the shit that gets stuffed into a young, poor mind early and often.
I’m only halfway joking when I say that some people should not be allowed to procreate.
There are other, structurally similar groups in other countries as well.
Here in Germany we’ve got Reichsbürger (citizens of the Reich), which use similar thought models to explain why Germany actually doesn’t exist as a country and is actually a company (literally, they call it Germany LLC). They engage in similar denial of anything they don’t like about laws, while arguing pseudo-legalistic in other areas.
They’ve always been around in some flavor or another, but they (like many once niche shticks) blew up with the internet.
spitball Cliff Notes: “I’m not an American citizen bound by American laws, I am an American National born on US soil. I have a right to travel, which I am doing in my conveyance (vehicle) therefore you cannot apply driving laws to me for I am traveling, not driving.” Basically, they think there’s a secret set of laws/combination of laws that allows them to exist “outside” of the system without engaging with it’s various parts (usually driving/car reg laws and taxes, but can include things like debt, court, etc)
extra nutter cliffnotes: “The name in all caps on your birth certificate is a corporation/strawman/legal fiction owned by the US govt via which you interact and do business with the govt, whereas your true name is your first and last with only the first capitalized as proper English grammar dictates. Taxes and other govt business are not done with me John Doe, they are done with the corporation of JOHN DOE, and I as a (American National/free man/pick a term) am not responsible for the tax obligations or other legal business the corporation of JOHN DOE has with the government.”
TLDR Cliff Notes: “I can not be bound by American laws because I never agreed to be governed by American laws.”