When I was a kid in the early 2000’s we were vibing to a funny song about a famous pedophile, watching pictures of dead people on rotten.com and ofcourse porn on the late night tv. We also had candy resembling tobacco products as well as ones with racist names.
I think new parents especially often seem to forget all the similar things they did as a child and then apply different standards to their own kids. Yeah, it’s not optimal, but they’re probably going to grow up just fine.
There are multiple possible explanations for that. I don’t see any direct link between the kind of content we millenials consumed in our childhood and the apparent rise in the number of mental health cases. I’d be willing to bet that the time spent consuming said content plays a much bigger factor.
I’m not claiming there’s a direct link. I am saying there’s no evidence to support your claim that repulsive content is fine because the evidence suggests that we did not turn out just fine. My anecdotal evidence is that I had more empathy as a child than as an adult, which is largely thought abnormal, and I think desensitization due to watching beheadings and shit in my formative years might be part of the reason.
Yes, my intention was to respond to an anecdote with another anecdote to illustrate that point. Some of us can claim they looked at depraved shit as a kid and turned out fine, but statistically, many of us did not turn out fine.
For me, I’ve only spent more time online as I’ve gotten older for the reasons you stated. As a kid, my screen time was maybe an hour or so. I’m not saying the Internet turned me into an asshole, but I do believe that it had a hand in it.
I think it’s less the network’s fault, and more on where someone chooses to spend their time on the network. If you’re on Facebook, it is in their interest to piss you off so you stay and fight. But plenty of other tools exist to connect folks online without being manipulative.
It’s like fire, nuclear energy, or most any other tool. Use it right and everyone benefits, use it wrong and people get hurt.
Yes but we can’t tell if that’s caused by being online, it’s possible you’d have had the same problems anyway or possibly worse. For all we know the internet helped you deal with your issues and without it you’d have ended up a serial killer.
No, do not write leading statements like that, it’s rude. Just ask me to clarify.
I’m saying there’s.no point measuring millennial healthcare analytics vs older generations because millennials aren’t older yet (obviously). So point in time analytics aren’t valuable ( edit to my conversation, obviously they are useful) My point was to understand the health analytics of a cohort relative to care options, you must consider the same age band, no matter the year.
So like " describe mental health detection among 20-30 yo’s across decade’s of history"
You’re calling me rude for asking you to clarify. That was a question, not a leading statement. Note the question mark. The studies say millennials have gotten more mentally ill over time and that Gen Z have even higher rates than millennials did at the same age, so I think it’s unlikely to be an age issue, but you seem to want evidence that’s impossible to provide, so there’s no point in discussing this with you.
How “mental illnesses” are described and defined in scientific literature changes as science (and bureaucracy) progresses, as do our methods of measurement, and our scientific understanding of what is involved- science moves faster than languages evolve to adapt to its progress.
It is therefore not strictly and necessarily a matter of increased prevalence, but how we encapsulate and express these things culturally.
Compare the logical conundrum of the infinitely expanding shoreline. Was it Alfred Korszybski with that? My memory fails me.
At least those horrible things required human effort to make, so there was a limited quantity. An unlimited supply of content that a human had no part in making is completely new territory
It’s not obvious to me why the non-human origin matters here. Eventually AI will get so good that you can’t even tell the difference, or if you can, it’s because it’s so high quality.
In my mind the meat of the issue is the amount of time we spend watching that content, and less so who made it.
Non human origin matters because it’s easy to flood the field with this stuff.
If finding quality videos becomes a needle in a haystack amidst ai generated bullshit, each looking to passively earn a few bucks, overall quality of life will suffer as the ouroboros eats its tail.
These were called “Neekerinsuukko” which translates into “Nigger’s Kiss” and they were sold under that name well over into the 2000’s. It’s basically a chocolate egg with a flat waffle bottom and filled with this white creamy filling.
I’m not sure if you can actually call that “racist” candy as I don’t think whoever made it had any bad intentions behind it. It’s just the name of it that aged a little badly. Nowdays these are just called “Kisses”
Wait, are you talking about some variation of candy cigarettes that I have never seen, but would be insanely jealous if they existed, or the flavored ones Camel used to have? Cause yeah chocolate mint Camels were awesome. Never liked the orange flavored ones, but that seemed to just be me in my friend group.
When I was a kid in the early 2000’s we were vibing to a funny song about a famous pedophile, watching pictures of dead people on rotten.com and ofcourse porn on the late night tv. We also had candy resembling tobacco products as well as ones with racist names.
I think new parents especially often seem to forget all the similar things they did as a child and then apply different standards to their own kids. Yeah, it’s not optimal, but they’re probably going to grow up just fine.
Millennials have higher rates of mental illness than previous generations. We are far from fine.
I’d imagine an increasingly hostile world economy coupled with a then-looming but now beginning climate crisis might have a huge impact there.
There are multiple possible explanations for that. I don’t see any direct link between the kind of content we millenials consumed in our childhood and the apparent rise in the number of mental health cases. I’d be willing to bet that the time spent consuming said content plays a much bigger factor.
I’m not claiming there’s a direct link. I am saying there’s no evidence to support your claim that repulsive content is fine because the evidence suggests that we did not turn out just fine. My anecdotal evidence is that I had more empathy as a child than as an adult, which is largely thought abnormal, and I think desensitization due to watching beheadings and shit in my formative years might be part of the reason.
When I was younger I wasn’t sad because I was online, I was online because I was sad and felt out of place in reality.
The cough isn’t the cause of the cold, it’s a symptom.
Also, I gained more empathy the older I got. So you probably need a bigger data set than your own experiences.
Yes, my intention was to respond to an anecdote with another anecdote to illustrate that point. Some of us can claim they looked at depraved shit as a kid and turned out fine, but statistically, many of us did not turn out fine.
For me, I’ve only spent more time online as I’ve gotten older for the reasons you stated. As a kid, my screen time was maybe an hour or so. I’m not saying the Internet turned me into an asshole, but I do believe that it had a hand in it.
I think it’s less the network’s fault, and more on where someone chooses to spend their time on the network. If you’re on Facebook, it is in their interest to piss you off so you stay and fight. But plenty of other tools exist to connect folks online without being manipulative.
It’s like fire, nuclear energy, or most any other tool. Use it right and everyone benefits, use it wrong and people get hurt.
Agreed, but we’re specifically talking about looking at depraved content on the Internet.
Yes but we can’t tell if that’s caused by being online, it’s possible you’d have had the same problems anyway or possibly worse. For all we know the internet helped you deal with your issues and without it you’d have ended up a serial killer.
Life is just very complex.
Hard to believe this isn’t simply due to improved detection, reporting and treatment options.
Gen X and boomers still go to the Dr and undergo depression screenings, yet Gen X has roughly half the rates of depression as gen z and millennials. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9934502/
The key metric would be to review care detection and frequency at the same chronological age of participants, not simply today.
So you think young people are more likely to be mentally ill and then grow out of it when older?
No, do not write leading statements like that, it’s rude. Just ask me to clarify.
I’m saying there’s.no point measuring millennial healthcare analytics vs older generations because millennials aren’t older yet (obviously). So point in time analytics aren’t valuable ( edit to my conversation, obviously they are useful) My point was to understand the health analytics of a cohort relative to care options, you must consider the same age band, no matter the year.
So like " describe mental health detection among 20-30 yo’s across decade’s of history"
You’re calling me rude for asking you to clarify. That was a question, not a leading statement. Note the question mark. The studies say millennials have gotten more mentally ill over time and that Gen Z have even higher rates than millennials did at the same age, so I think it’s unlikely to be an age issue, but you seem to want evidence that’s impossible to provide, so there’s no point in discussing this with you.
It’s a statement you are assuming I made, which I contested.
How “mental illnesses” are described and defined in scientific literature changes as science (and bureaucracy) progresses, as do our methods of measurement, and our scientific understanding of what is involved- science moves faster than languages evolve to adapt to its progress.
It is therefore not strictly and necessarily a matter of increased prevalence, but how we encapsulate and express these things culturally.
Compare the logical conundrum of the infinitely expanding shoreline. Was it Alfred Korszybski with that? My memory fails me.
At least those horrible things required human effort to make, so there was a limited quantity. An unlimited supply of content that a human had no part in making is completely new territory
It’s not obvious to me why the non-human origin matters here. Eventually AI will get so good that you can’t even tell the difference, or if you can, it’s because it’s so high quality.
In my mind the meat of the issue is the amount of time we spend watching that content, and less so who made it.
Non human origin matters because it’s easy to flood the field with this stuff.
If finding quality videos becomes a needle in a haystack amidst ai generated bullshit, each looking to passively earn a few bucks, overall quality of life will suffer as the ouroboros eats its tail.
I remember candy cigarettes. My favorite was the one that also double as gum. But guess I miss the racist candy? Or did I not get the racism?
I don’t know it either, but I feel like when someone clarifies, I’ll be like “Oh… OHH! That.”
This one comes to mind
Negro cukorka
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These were called “Neekerinsuukko” which translates into “Nigger’s Kiss” and they were sold under that name well over into the 2000’s. It’s basically a chocolate egg with a flat waffle bottom and filled with this white creamy filling.
I’m not sure if you can actually call that “racist” candy as I don’t think whoever made it had any bad intentions behind it. It’s just the name of it that aged a little badly. Nowdays these are just called “Kisses”
They were called chocolate babies in the 80s/90s and think they still go by that name but are no longer made by a major manufacturer
Pretty sure that’s every generation in relation to the next: https://arapahoelibraries.org/blogs/post/generational-blame-a-brief-history/
Chocolate cigarettes were THE SHIT!
Wait, are you talking about some variation of candy cigarettes that I have never seen, but would be insanely jealous if they existed, or the flavored ones Camel used to have? Cause yeah chocolate mint Camels were awesome. Never liked the orange flavored ones, but that seemed to just be me in my friend group.
No these were made out of actual chocolate.
Also, ew.