• go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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    It has no chance of becoming a reality without the help of moderates and liberals who have made it very clear they would rather lose to MAGA than compromise with leftists and progressives.

    People have yet to acknowledge the first implications of this. If we believe the numbers of progressives and leftists are growing there will come a time when we begin winning primaries but will lose general elections consistently because moderates and liberals suddenly won’t “vote blue no matter who”. Which means fascism isn’t just a possibility, it’s guaranteed.

    If moderates and liberals don’t make different choices there’s nothing we can do.

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    All the points are nice but the plan does not “make sense” in the sense that it will probably never happen (at least within our lifetimes).

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      We need a new country with a fresh constitution based on these ideals and what we’ve learned since the last one. Like what the US did to the British in 1776, but again and better

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        I don’t really see “new countries” being a thing in that way ever again. The USA was new because a “new” piece of land was literally found (well obviously it was already found by other people but you get what I mean).

        There is no new land to find today. You can’t just set off and create a new country - all of the land is already taken. You’ll need to work within the confines of the current countries and try your best to improve them gradually.

        At least, any other approach would probably be very bloody…

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    I’d rather focus on ripping cars out of cities, promoting mixed use zoning areas, removing regulations on food service (which is the reason small American food vendors need food trucks, instead of “street food” like the rest of the world.

    The disjointed, car based, child hating society we have is a big problem.

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    mandatory voting

    what the fuck lmao? where did this come from, genuinely asking this is so authoritarian and out of place among the rest of the stuff

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      Nothing screams authoritarianism quite like having to spend 10 mins at a local school on a Saturday, once every couple of years, and drawing a big old big on the ballot paper.

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        my comment was a genuine question please respect that.

        what is the method of enforcement? like if it’s prison, or even time in court. yeah that’s weird and it gives authoritarianism vibes.

        if it’s a fine, what is the price point? what about those who cannot afford to travel to vote nor to pay? and what is stopping the wealthy from just paying the fine and skipping elections anyway?

        or like what other options of enforcement are there? i just don’t think making voting mandatory is at all needed to ensure free and fair elections and it just has an icky vibe to it.

        edit: also you say “every couple years.” are you aware that elections are held several times per year in most parts of the US? or are we just making federal elections mandatory?

        edit 2: you say “10 minutes.” when waiting times for voting of 30 minutes or even an hour are not rare. so what is the solution there?

        edit 3: what about individuals whose religious convictions forbid them from participating in polls? does this not violate their constitutional rights?

        edit 4: doing my due diligence and found that…

        We empirically explore the effects of a sanctioned compulsory voting law on direct-democratic decision making in Switzerland. We find that compulsory voting significantly increases electoral support for leftist policy positions in referendums by up to 20 percentage points. (Michael M. BechtelDominik HangartnerLukas Schmid)

        …which is cool and admittedly something i was unaware of. nevertheless i still find that the means of obtaining this end questionable.

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          Proponents of mandatory voting also tend to be supportive of other voting reforms which would make it faster and easier to vote. For example, vote by mail and removing the selective service requirement for men. With some properly implemented reforms, the time it takes to vote could easily be reduced to ten minutes or less.

          Mandatory voting would also push the responsibility of ensuring that people have an opportunity to vote on the government, which is really how it should be anyway, but it behooves the powers that be to keep turnout lower. At least in theory, this would obviously need to be codified.

          As for religious exemption, I think most mandatory voting advocates would only want to require that every citizen turn in a ballot, but not that it be filled out in any particular way. An objector could turn in a blank ballot or write in a fictitious candidate by that standard. They would have no real sway on the political state, so unless they have a religious objection to filing paperwork they don’t have much to complain about. Even so, there could easily be a way to allow people to apply for an exemption.

          Your right about punishments being a fraught subject here, though I think everyone’s on the same page about them being pretty light. A “realistic” (this whole thread is pretty unrealistic) implementation would probably involve some minor penalty on your tax returns, though personally I’m not happy with that solution.

          The point is to push the onus of providing voting opportunities on the government, and increase overall turnout. As I can anecdotally attest, and as you seem to have found on your own, people who don’t vote often do have strong opinions. They either don’t vote out of laziness or a lack of access. Mandatory voting would fix the former and would necessarily be bundled with legislation to fix the latter.

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            thanks. i like your framing of putting the onus of voting opportunities on the government. and i think that any good election reform process would implement CV as the last step of a series of careful and intentional change; it doesn’t really fit as one of three “quick fixes” to voting opportunities, hence my initial reaction.

            appreciate your response!

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          Jail time? Tell me you’re American without telling me you’re American… I happen to be one of the dozens of people who do not live in the US, so my state and local elections are at the same time, and federal is usually in between. They group them together because efficiency. Pretty sure the penalty in every developed economy is a small fine equivalent to a parking ticket. I don’t know exactly, because I’ve been postal voting for a decade due to my debilitating case of “religious reasons”, so I get my ballot in the mail a week in advance, and If I didn’t want to vote I’d just mail it back empty (free fyi). I also voted from my phone at a foreign airport one time. Pretty sure I’ve missed one too, and know several people in their 40’s and 50’s who’ve never enrolled, never voted, and never been fined. Turns out “mandatory” is pretty loose when you aren’t living in a dictatorship.

          The argument FOR mandatory voting is to encourage political parties to reach out and engage all adults (e.g. “we the people”), instead of focusing their policies, campaigning, and financing on specific subsets of the population, or specific geographies (e.g. electoral college), or engage in other methods like voter disenfranchisement, etc, etc — basically to mitigate against the USA’s brand of bastardized anti-democracy, and authoritarianism, from happening.

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            so… mandatory voting for you isn’t actually mandatory voting, it’s in fact a much broader series of measures aimed to reduce obstacles to voting and putting the onus of the election on the government rather than the people. got it, and i like that.

            heads up that other comments here swayed my opinion but yours have been truly just disrespectful and unhelpful.

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    Making election day a holiday probably won’t have the effect you’re hoping for.

    Best case: Almost everybody goes to work as usual. A few of them get a pay differential for working the holiday.

    Worst case: Holiday means holiday. We’ll give all bus drivers the day off to vote – and hope the bus riders live within walking distance of their polling location.

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    Mostly good stuff. I don’t think I’d merge house and Senate. Some of them need more constraint, like I’d legalize prostitution, but only if it’s regulated like restaurants (health inspectors, workers rights, etc.).

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      It is federally legal to prostitution. Just every single state outlaws except nevada.

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      What is your solution the massively disproportionate representation in the senate then? There are currently around 66.7 Californians for every Wyomingite. Do you think Wyomingites deserve 66.7 times the representation in the Senate? And yes, legalization would occur with reasonable regulations which would make sure the industry is safer for all those involved. I tried to keep the list as concise as possible for each issue reformed.

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        Do you think wyoming deserves to be a state? Every state gets the same representation in the Senate and I think that’s fair. I don’t think it’s fair that the proportional side of the legislature isn’t proportional anymore, though, and fixing that goes a very long way.

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          States don’t deserve equal representation. American citizens deserve equal representation, they are the ones who create value.

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            Then what you’re really saying is abolish the concept of states and have a single federal state.

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              No, states still would elect a number of representatives based on their population. Just no 2 senators per state.

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                Why even have states? Good way to get rid of jerrymandering would be to get rid of imaginary borders. No states, no senate necessary.

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                  Because state legislatures should continue to exist. If less populated conservative states want to go down a rabbit hole of far right shit then let them. Just don’t give them 2 senators per state to gridlock the states that continue to produce and provide for their population.

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        The Senate isn’t intended to be a representative body, it’s just two per state. They aren’t doing things like setting funding/budgets. Congress (the house of representatives) is designed to do that, though that needs some tweaking.

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          The Senate isn’t intended to be a representative body

          Both the house and senate vote to pass bills. The disproportionate population increases have led to less representation of citizens in more populated states.

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            But the original states didn’t have balanced populations, the founders knew that, but they still set it to be two senators per state. The house is scaled by population.

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              They did that for as part of a negotiation though. The less populous states refused to join the union without something like the Senate.

              To me it’s an outdated concept because states are much less independent now than they were back then. And we have a national identity that didn’t exist during the revolution.

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        There are other proposals to solve the Senate’s disproportionate nature, such as apportioning Senate seats by state population. Most proposals I’ve seen for that would leave the Senate with a little more than a hundred seats (with a minimum of 1 seat per state), which would (mostly) solve the problem and make it closer to the house in terms of proportionality. Of course, it all depends on the exact implementation.

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          What’s the purpose of the senate at that point? Seems redundant, like having two house of representatives.

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        There’s no solution needed, since there isn’t a problem to begin with. Individuals (should) have proportional representation in the House, and states have proportional representation in the Senate, which is how it should be.

        Do you think Wyomingites deserve 66.7 times the representation in the Senate?

        Yes.

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          There’s no solution needed, since there isn’t a problem to begin with.

          This is funny, it’s like an self soothing mantra. I’ll try to repeat this to myself as things get worse.

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            Beyond what you’ve stated about the disproportionate nature of the Senate, what exact legislative problems are you attributing to the existence of the Senate, and its disproportionate nature? And why do you think a purely proportional body will solve said issues? I’m also curious what you believe the purpose of the Senate, or a bicameral legislature in general, is.

            I’m not trying to be accusatory in my probing, I’m simply curious what your exact rationale is ☺️.

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              The senate exists to maintain an artificial balance and make sure that only the approved things are actually voted on. That is why popular things like marijuana legalization are never voted on.

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                The senate exists to maintain an artificial balance

                What do you mean by “artifical balance”?

                and make sure that only the approved things are actually voted on

                What do you mean, exactly? Bills are debated as they are presented [See 7.6 and 8.1 of the Senate Manual].

                That is why popular things like marijuana legalization are never voted on.

                I don’t understand this point. If you want a senator to introduce a bill regarding the legalization of marijuana, then vote in a senator that will present such a bill.

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                  I don’t understand this point.

                  Yup, you don’t.

                  then vote in a senator that will present such a bill.

                  🤡

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    Start with one thing, mate. Most impact and easiest to implement.

    Why delude yourself with this bullshit fantasy list? Focus on reality.

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      While I agree with tackling one problem at a time, there’s no issues with listing all of them. Then, when you tackle one, you get to mark it off.

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    Remove daylight standard time.

    Remove “drive in empty lane” language from DMV instruction.

    These two things would have near universal impact on US culture.

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    Ranked choice is quite terrible actually, barely better than Plurality (also known as FPTP). The center for election science has a whole article on it here. https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/

    3-2-1 voting and STAR are the best choices, but the CES actually advocates for approval due to logistics and people getting confused by 321 and star.