• PugJesus@kbin.social
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    7 months ago

    That’s good. Infinitely growing populations aren’t sustainable, and I don’t know that there are any viable arguments for continued population growth.

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        7 months ago

        I can’t initially agree that A+ is better than A. I think A is better. So his argument falls apart right there.

        Median happiness is the important factor not average happiness.

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          7 months ago

          The basic paradox is that you’re better off with more miserable people who barely want to live than with less people who enjoy their lives a tiny bit more than that.

          I ultimately think it’s a load of bunk, but that’s the supposed paradox.

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      7 months ago

      The problem is the word “significant”

      We can all agree the population can’t continue to grow. We can also agree it probably needs to shrink, especially by the time this starts making a difference.

      However, if it shrinks too rapidly, there’s a lot of potential disruption of society and economy. If it continues to shrink, it could be a serious problem for all of humanity.

      We should make changes now to encourage more people to have kids. The goal should be a slow, controlled decrease, to level off, without major disruption

      Personally, I like 6B as a good place to plateau. We’re probably already beyond the planet’s carrying capacity so need to be less than today. However a lot of the advancements in society (technology, space, medicine, science, innovation) really require a fairly large population. Establishing a number ought to be someone’s thesis, but in the meantime: 6B

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        7 months ago

        sonally, I like 6B as a good place to plateau. We’re probably already beyond the planet’s carrying capacity so nee

        With the current food growing technologies, we can handle 10 billion comfortable well. We will obviously not reach that number anytime soon. But we are on track to shrinking rapidly in many nations. That will destroy these nations.

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          7 months ago

          I doubt that. Current conventional food production is highly fossil fuel dependant (everything from fertilizer to processing to transport). Earth’s ariable land and top soil is decreasing quickly. Ecosystems are collapsing from the effects of agriculture and climate change. Most “advances” require more inputs and energy, which means more fossil fuel use, further accelerating resource degredation and climate change. I forget the statistic, but humans already control a significant proportion of Earth’s biomass. This chart from https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/17788/how-much-of-earths-biomass-is-affected-by-humans/ might be what I was thinking of:

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      6 months ago

      That’s like saying perpetual war isn’t sustainable and you have to make peace. Formally true, but in practice:

      Your country (a developed one, with virtually universal literacy, functional school education, water and electricity everywhere, universities, internet, etc) stops growing in population.

      Some another country (with basically nothing except for dirt and dirt-poor people who mostly can’t read, sometimes burn witches and kill infidels) doesn’t fscking stop.