• Vub@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    So it didn’t quite work out how the fascist sharia rape gang of Hamas wanted, who would have thought?! Now let’s hope for a quick end to all violence in the entire region and that the fuckhead Netanyahu gets what he deserves as well.

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      3 months ago

      You seem quite gleeful for a war that has already murdered well over 10,000 children in the past six months.

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    3 months ago

    Well, yes. That is EXACTLY what Likud is trying to achieve… hence the rampant genocide.

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    3 months ago

    I’m for Palestine and their right to self defense and have their land back from Israeli robbers, but:

    1. Before they were fighting to have their land back. Now they have to fight not to be genocided

    2. On past conflicts, they always lost much more than Israel

    3. Israel is military much more powerful

    How can Hamas have thought that the situation would improve, even if Palestinians deserve freedom?

    I’m coming to the sad conclusion that indeed Palestine will disappear, like the indigenous people disappeared in the US.

    If they are lucky they will preserve they culture like the Jews did after being kicked out by Rome, and will come back 2000 years later, when they have more technology.

    Is this a recurring pattern of people/cultures living in this region? I know of curds and other people who seem to suffer as well from a similar fate.

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      3 months ago

      Hamas leaders say they waged their Oct. 7 attack on Israel because they believed the Palestinian cause was slipping away, and that only violence could revive it. article

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        3 months ago

        I have read the article, but it’s too shallow and have no original video of the conversation.

        As NYT is often picking facts which supports Israel cause, I would like to ask for the originals of Hamas speaking on behalf of Hamas, not NYT speaking on behalf of Hamas.

        Do you have any direct Hamas source, or any Arabic source of what was Hamas Intention?

    • filister@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      I dare say the goal of Hamas to attract the public attention to the Palestinian statehood, and in a way they achieved that goal, but to what price.

      I am not justifying their attack on Israel, but things weren’t exactly rosy both in Gaza and the West bank and the world was focused on other issues, while letting Israel do whatever they please.

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      3 months ago

      It was pretty clear that Palestine was going to disappear if the course of history didn’t change, and arguably is already gone. One can see that there’s simply no viable state of Palestine left—just fragments of land surrounded and controlled by an apartheid regime—by looking at the map.

      If one were charitable, one could say that Hamas took an accelerationist approach as a hail Mary attempt to fight it. Or, as I think, they’ve gone down the path that so many radical groups in history have: Deciding that achieving their goal is worth sacrificing the people they originally set out to save, possibly even holding those people in contempt for not joining the noble struggle.

      In any case, the only motive for the October 7th attack that sense to me is that Hamas wanted to provoke Israel into an all-too-predictable overreaction, to draw in the West Bank and other Arab powers, to de-legitimize Israel on the world stage, or both. Months later, we can see that it’s not not working. They are closer to diplomatic recognition of a Palestinian state by a number of nations than they have been at any point in decades.

      At what a terrible price, though.

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        3 months ago

        One MAJOR reason most people seem to be missing for the October the 7th attack was indeed religious. But maybe not in the way you’d expect…

        Religious Jews and Evangelical Christians are trying to bring about the apocalypse, from the bible. They believe they must rebuild the Temple. Issue is, al-aqsa is in the temple mound and it’s one of the most sacred places for Muslims. Destroying it would start a major war.

        And they started moving to have the third temple rebuilt. There are plans to demolish al-aqsa and start the works. The three red heifers to be sacrificed, turned into ash and used to purify the priests who will start the building work are the first step.

        If you read Hamas’ explanations for the October 7th attack, al-aqsa is a central part of it. It was called al-aqsa flood after all.

        edit: to clarify, there is real material danger to the al-aqsa mosque

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        3 months ago

        Good Analysis.

        I read about the Jewish roman war in 70 BCE, and when the city of Masada was about to be entirely killed, all jewish there (around 1.5 MILLION people) just committed suicide.

        Maybe yes, instead of commiting suicide you can have your last “desperate attempt”, not to die passively.

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      3 months ago

      The Israeli government intentionally let the hamas armored faction grow in funds and arms for a few years. It was well known within security agencies that that was happening. Just as other situations, they have let it grow so they could have the “excuse” to attack gaza / and other places like they pleased.

      They won’t stop until there’s no Palestine, they can throw everything at you but in the end what they want is all of Palestine and possibly other regions as well to become all for the Israeli State.